Is Mary a source of Holiness?

[IamAdopted]

"From the Church he learns the example of holiness and recognizes its model and source in the all-holy Virgin Mary..."

Scripture does not back up that Mary is a source of holiness..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Scripture does not back up that Mary is a source of holiness..

Mary Magdalene wasn't too bad of an example herself.

John 11:1 And there was a certain one ailing, Lazarus, from Bethany, of the village of Mary and Martha her sister-- 2 and it was Mary who did anoint the Lord with ointment, and did wipe his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was ailing

Song 1:12 While the king [is] in his circle, My spikenard hath given its fragrance. 13 A bundle of myrrh [is] my beloved to me, Between my breasts it lodgeth. 14 A cluster of cypress [is] my beloved to me, In the vineyards of En-Gedi!

 

[Isaiah 53]

The Catholic Church does not stand upon Scripture alone, as a sole rule of faith. So whether or not Scripture clearly states it is irrelevant to Catholic teachings.

PAX

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Scripture does not back up that Mary is a source of holiness..

In my opinion no. And I'll explain. It's because that's not what I was taught, it's not how I view the Scriptures, and it's just not what I believe. I think there is a reason why Mary isn't mentioned very much in the Bible. I think it's so we don't place an un-healthy emphasis on her. Which in my opinion some have. I'm not pointing fingers or anything, but it's just what I feel.

 

[Isaiah 53]

Actually, Mary's holliness/roll isnt mentioned specifically because she was still alive when the majority of the NT was written.

PAX

 

[FrauleinElsa]

That's what makes Prostestants and Catholics so different. I'm sorry but that's just not what I believe. But I respect that you shared that.

 

[WarriorAngel]

O I see, a new topic.

We dont have enough Marian threads in GT.

 

[IamAdopted]

The Catholic Church does not stand upon Scripture alone, as a sole rule of faith. So whether or not Scripture clearly states it is irrelevant to Catholic teachings.

PAX

So the tradtion of Man out weights Scripture to Catholics.. But yet they shout they are the one and only true church? They can teach this as tradition when Scripture points to God alone as being Holy..

"Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee..." Revelation 15:4

"Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy." Psalm 99:9 "And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory." Isaiah 6:3

This plainly tells Whom alone is Holy.. So you will ignore scripture and follow the traditions of men even though Christ rebuked the Pharasee's for this same thing?

 

[Isaiah 53]

So the tradtion of Man out weights Scripture to Catholics.. But yet they shout they are the one and only true church?

No, my friend, the Church does not teach that Tradition (Holy Tradition) is superior to Scripture or vise versa. Holy Scripture, Holy Tradition, properly interpreted by the Magisterium; is what governs the Church's theology.

Oh, and the Church does not say she is the one and only true Church, perhaps you should do some research to help clear your perception of the Church.

PAX

 

[repentant]

Mary Magdalene wasn't too bad of an example herself.

John 11:1 And there was a certain one ailing, Lazarus, from Bethany, of the village of Mary and Martha her sister-- 2 and it was Mary who did anoint the Lord with ointment, and did wipe his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was ailing

Song 1:12 While the king [is] in his circle, My spikenard hath given its fragrance. 13 A bundle of myrrh [is] my beloved to me, Between my breasts it lodgeth. 14 A cluster of cypress [is] my beloved to me, In the vineyards of En-Gedi!

John 11:1 is not reffering to Mary Magdalene..

 

[repentant]

So the tradtion of Man out weights Scripture to Catholics.. But yet they shout they are the one and only true church? They can teach this as tradition when Scripture points to God alone as being Holy.. This plainly tells Whom alone is Holy.. So you will ignore scripture and follow the traditions of men even though Christ rebuked the Pharasee's for this same thing?

Alot of things in Scripture are called Holy. Things, places, city's, etc..

Not to mention people and angels..

Mark 6:20
because Herod feared John and protected him, knowing him to be a righteous and holy man. When Herod heard John, he was greatly puzzled ; yet he liked to listen to him

Mark 8:38
If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels."

Luke 1:70
as he said through his holy prophets of long ago,

Luke 9:26
If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.

Acts 3:21
He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

Etc, etc...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Alot of things in Scripture are called Holy. Things, places, city's, etc..

Not to mention people and angels..

Gala 4:26 and the Jerusalem above is the free-woman, which is Mother of us all,

Hebrew 12: 22 But, ye came to Mount Zion, and to a city of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of messengers, 23 to the company and assembly of the first-born in heaven enrolled, and to God the judge of all, and to spirits of righteous men made perfect, 24 and to a mediator of a new covenant--Jesus, and to blood of sprinkling, speaking better things than that of Abel!

 

[lionroar0]

Scripture does not back up that Mary is a source of holiness..

...and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary (Luke 1: 35)

There is only one source of holiness and that is God. It is up to individuals whether to share His Holyness that He has given us or not.

If we so decide to share His holyness then we become a source of His holyness.

Mary said yes to the angel and gave birth to God incarnate. In sharing His holyness by doing His Will she became a source of His holyness.


Peace

 

[Uphill Battle]

So whether or not Scripture clearly states it is irrelevant to Catholic teachings.

PAX

clearly.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Scripture does not back up that Mary is a source of holiness..

And that sentence does not say that.

It says she is the source of "the example of holiness" from which the Christian is suppose to LEARN, not the source of holiness. She is the example. In fact an angel says as much, so we know scripture backs that up.

http://www.vatican.net/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a3.htm

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

And that sentence does not say that.

It says she is the source of "the example of holiness" from which the Christian is suppose to LEARN, not the source of holiness. She is the example. In fact an angel says as much, so we know scripture backs that up.

http://www.vatican.net/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a3.htm

Ok. But does the church also equate her with the Jerusalem Above that the Christ came to set up for us and of which we are now in "spiritually"? Would that be ok also? She could be a usefull example of that for Christians I think. Thoughts?

Gala 4:26 and the Jerusalem above is the free-woman, which is Mother of us all,

Hebrew 12: 22 But, ye came to Mount Zion, and to a city of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of messengers, 23 to the company and assembly of the first-born in heaven enrolled, and to God the judge of all, and to spirits of righteous men made perfect, 24 and to a mediator of a new covenant--Jesus, and to blood of sprinkling, speaking better things than that of Abel!

 

[thereselittleflower]

Scripture does not back up that Mary is a source of holiness..

Source: means any discernible conveyance

Mary is the discernible conveyance of Christ into the world, our holiness . . . .


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[Myriah]

Source: means any discernible conveyance

Mary is the discernible conveyance of Christ into the world, our holiness . . . .


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What do you mean by conveyance?

con·vey·ance (plural con·vey·anc·es)

noun
Definition: 1. moving of something: the conveying of something, especially the transportation or transmission of something from one place to another


2. vehicle: a vehicle or other means of transportation

public conveyances

3. law transfer of ownership: a document that legally transfers ownership, or the transfer itself

 

[IamAdopted]

Where is it written that we are to follow the example of Mary? When so little is given about Mary in scripture?

 

[Teke]

Where is it written that we are to follow the example of Mary? When so little is given about Mary in scripture?

There is plenty enough given about Mary and the Church to relate them.
Mary is a type of the Church in scripture. We are given many types to learn from their examples.

Pro 12:4
A virtuous woman [is] a crown to her husband: but she that maketh ashamed [is] as rottenness in his bones.
Is the Church the bride of Christ?
Is the Church a Virgin?
Is the Church to be a virtuous woman?
Is the Church the Body which Christ dwells in and with?
Is the Church that which bears the living in the world?
Does the Church reply "yes" to God?
Was Mary separated/holy to God?
Is the Church to be holy/separated to God?

What other type in scripture is there of the Church. Who is the betrothed of Christ, and remains a virgin even tho bearing (as in birthing) the living (those in Christ) and remains still a virgin.
What other virgin did Christ dwell in and with who remains ever virgin?

If your His Church, then Mary is your example. Ever seeking Him and never leaving Him, no matter what.

Then there is the practical reason of being able to explain such things to little children of the faith. Who need such types as example to help them understand.
Tis far easier to give them a Nativity set and explain the simple truth. Even the reality of God with us and in us, by the example of Mary.
Who is the daughter of Eve, mother of all living.