Is Marriage Valid?

[MattiMuck]

I basically called you out on a contradiction and you retreated very quickly, so I find it difficult to take what you write seriously now.You also make the assumption that I have never read the bible. Guess what brother, I have. I was a christian for about 11 years.

I didn't assume anything. I'm just suggesting you read it...again, apparently. Paul's epistles explain clearly the Christian's response to Old testament laws. I didn't contradict myself, and God doesn't contradict Himself, but He does explain Himself. A lot better than I can.

 

[Sectio Aurea]

A Christian should believe everything they read in the Bible in the proper context, of course.

Leviticus 11:10 (KJV)
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you

Ahh the shellfish fall back...well, I do believe the Bible is God's Word and that He does have the right to tell us how to live.

As a Christian do you believe and follow Leviticus 11:10 above?

Or how about Leviticus 20:9 below?

For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

 

[MattiMuck]

The New Testament is part of the Bible too. Like I said in a previous post, read Romans through Jude...actually go ahead and read the whole thing.

 

[Cearbhall]

If couples want to save sex until after they get married that is their prerogative.
But I favour the try before you "buy" method, at least you wont risk being disappointed or surprised (sexually) after you get married.

I'll probably go that way, too, but I think that a certain amount of sexual chemistry and enjoyment comes from the emotional attachment, and I don't mind if other people value abstinence before marriage more than testing out sexual chemistry before marriage.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Yes that is a historical fact that is recorded in the Bible, but there are many historical facts in the Bible that are meant for people to learn from not adhere to or live out....

Oooops! That works until we read that the Lord gave David at least two of his already plural wives, and Christians the world over today claim polygyny is the sin of adultery the Lord magically "allowed" back then.

I never have figured that one out yet.

To declare polygyny a grievous sin akin to adultery leads to only one logical conclusion, which is that we may expect to see almost all the Patriarchs mentioned in the Bible burning in the pits of Hell, at least one of which because God Himself gave to him what landed him there.

That points the finger of guilt directly at the Lord Himself.

Frankly, I'm forced to reject modern, feministically warped thinking. Feminists are just like liberals.....they both hate TRUTH with a passion.

BTW

 

[Sectio Aurea]

I'll probably go that way, too, but I think that a certain amount of sexual chemistry and enjoyment comes from the emotional attachment, and I don't mind if other people value abstinence before marriage more than testing out sexual chemistry before marriage.

I'm almost certain that some sexual chemistry and enjoyment originates from emotional attachment, because I really dont think I could have satisfying sex with someone else other than my wife. In fact I'd be very surprised if I could even get an erection with a stranger or aquaintance. After more than two decades of fidelity I just really dont know.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Frankly, I'm forced to reject modern, feministically warped thinking. Feminists are just like liberals.....they both hate TRUTH with a passion.

If only I lived in such a simple universe where everyone who disagreed with my political and cultural views necessarily hated TRUTH with a passion.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[BeforeThereWas]

If only I lived in such a simple universe where everyone who disagreed with my political and cultural views necessarily hated TRUTH with a passion.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Ahh, but there's only black and white. For example, nobody is every partially pregnant.....

Jesus said it so very well.....a little leaven leavens the whole loaf. That aptly addresses all those shades of gray.

BTW

 

[Eudaimonist]

Ahh, but there's only black and white. For example, nobody is every partially pregnant.....

One can be mistaken on some issue without passionately hating what is true.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[RDKirk]

The only "problem" is that legal civil unions are also called "marriage" and many churches require the couple to be legally married for them to be religiously married (hence the legal power many clerics have).

I don't see how that gives clerics any legal power. If the church makes itself dependent on a county clerk's signature before it can perform a religious sacrament, that gives the power to the county clerk, not the cleric.

 

[RDKirk]

Not sure how it is splitting hairs. I am looking at the concept of marriage, what it is meant to represent. Would it not be better to have a legal union without the vows etc but to be recognised legally as a partnership for legal benefits, and to have the vows etc done within a church under their religion if they are religious is what I meant. Seperation of the two completely.

I do not think we have much in the way of civil unions here and in the places that we do have it, it is meant for same sex couples.

I agree with you.

 

[Cearbhall]

Frankly, I'm forced to reject modern, feministically warped thinking. Feminists are just like liberals.....they both hate TRUTH with a passion.

BTW

Is that even a word?

Also, when I see BTW in all caps, my mind reads it as "Born This Way." Ironic.

And no, we're pretty fond of logic and truth...

 

[Sectio Aurea]

I do not think we have much in the way of civil unions here and in the places that we do have it, it is meant for same sex couples.

Why get a civil union when you can get a marriage?

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Is that even a word?

Also, when I see BTW in all caps, my mind reads it as "Born This Way." Ironic.

Naw. A better definition of that acronym is "by the way".....

Disagreement is the euphoric drink of life......

BTW

 

[Dave Ellis]

Marriage was something God started not man. Marriage is something God considers special, we should too. Having marriage without following after Jesus would be meaningless today but with Him it is sacred commitment.

Actually, Marriage long predates your God.

 

[Cearbhall]

Marriage was something God started not man.

Too bad we're talking about the law and that belief of yours is therefore irrelevant.

 

[Joykins]

Oh, I did assume you were aware, sorry if I seemed patronizing. That's really the only reason why it plays into their decision to get married, though. Human lust. xD Hopefully it's never the deciding factor.

As someone who grew up in a church that emphasized sexual purity, I knew a few people who got married for that reason--they were tired of waiting to have sex. I don't think it's a GOOD reason when it's the only reason, but I don't know that you need a "valid" reason to get married.

 

[Joykins]

A Christian should believe everything they read in the Bible in the proper context, of course. Your comment is a perfect example of why married couples should be equally yoked, that is Christian and of the same mind. Both parties must accept our roles on this earth prescribed by God's Word, and it certainly helps if we do so willingly.

How do different roles constitute "equally yoked"? Oxen yoked together do the same task.

 

[Joykins]

Why get a civil union when you can get a marriage?

An abiding desire for second-class status and additional paperwork?

 

[Joykins]

I'm almost certain that some sexual chemistry and enjoyment originates from emotional attachment, because I really dont think I could have satisfying sex with someone else other than my wife. In fact I'd be very surprised if I could even get an erection with a stranger or aquaintance. After more than two decades of fidelity I just really dont know.

I feel as you do in terms of imprinting on the spouse, but the way sexual chemistry operates seems to be different from person to person.