Is Marriage Valid?

[CabVet]

God...through the scriptures. The Bible. It is quite clear when people don't eisegete to fit their own desires.

Problem is, everyone has a different interpretation. At the same time, everyone claims their interpretation is the one correct one, like you just did.

 

[Sectio Aurea]

1 Corinthians 7:2-5 ESV

But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

Nobody has authority over someone elses body!!
Whoever wrote that scripture above must of had a sick mind.

 

[Cearbhall]

Thanks Cearbhall, I am aware some couples refrain from sex with each other until marriage, I just fail to understand how wanting sex can be a valid reason to get married.

Oh, I did assume you were aware, sorry if I seemed patronizing. That's really the only reason why it plays into their decision to get married, though. Human lust. xD Hopefully it's never the deciding factor.

 

[Sectio Aurea]

Oh, I did assume you were aware, sorry if I seemed patronizing. That's really the only reason why it plays into their decision to get married, though. Human lust. xD Hopefully it's never the deciding factor.

You didn't seem patronizing Cearbhall,
And I totally agree, and I really hope lust is not a deciding factor also.

If couples want to save sex until after they get married that is their prerogative.
But I favour the try before you "buy" method, at least you wont risk being disappointed or surprised (sexually) after you get married.

 

[Sectio Aurea]

God...through the scriptures. The Bible. It is quite clear when people don't eisegete to fit their own desires.

MattiMuck we have a problem, you see every Christian does "eisegete to fit their own desires."

That is the reason why Christianity has fragmented into the tens of thousands of denominations we have today.

 

[elephunky]

Problem is, everyone has a different interpretation. At the same time, everyone claims their interpretation is the one correct one, like you just did.

This is true. I think a lot of people have valid points and I was speaking more from a secular perspective, with a view that those vows are still require in which you are pretty much stated as entering a relationship for life.

 

[MattiMuck]

MattiMuck we have a problem, you see every Christian does "eisegete to fit their own desires".

No, I don't see that every Christian has an eisegetic interpretation. There are many Christians that do not add their own ideas to the scriptures. The rebuke of repeated activities by the religious leaders in other passages of scripture is not contradictory nor is it eisegesis.

 

[MattiMuck]

Nobody has authority over someone elses body!!
Whoever wrote that scripture above must of had a sick mind.

Well, if a married couple are Bible believing Christians, that is, Christians, then yes, we do. And it was Paul that wrote it. If you take this passage in light of all scripture, it is not sick at all, but mutually submissive love. Ephesians describes the authority of husband over wife, but it is not to be lorded over anyone, that is, not abusive authority, but loving spiritual and household leadership. The act of sex is becoming "one flesh", therefore husband and wife are one...mutual ownership of each other.

 

[elephunky]

Well, if a married couple are Bible believing Christians, that is, Christians, then yes, we do. And it was Paul that wrote it. If you take this passage in light of all scripture, it is not sick at all, but mutually submissive love. Ephesians describes the authority of husband over wife, but it is not to be lorded over anyone, that is, not abusive authority, but loving spiritual and household leadership. The act of sex is becoming "one flesh", therefore husband and wife are one...mutual ownership of each other.

I was going to say that you shouldnt believe everything you read...then I realised that would be pretty pointless to say here.

If a partner wants to be submissive that is one thing, but to expect someone to submit to you is something entirely different as far as I am concerned. Can you love and respect someone who expects you to submit to them? I know I couldnt.

 

[MattiMuck]

I was going to say that you shouldnt believe everything you read...then I realised that would be pretty pointless to say here.

If a partner wants to be submissive that is one thing, but to expect someone to submit to you is something entirely different as far as I am concerned. Can you love and respect someone who expects you to submit to them? I know I couldnt.

A Christian should believe everything they read in the Bible in the proper context, of course. Your comment is a perfect example of why married couples should be equally yoked, that is Christian and of the same mind. Both parties must accept our roles on this earth prescribed by God's Word, and it certainly helps if we do so willingly.

 

[elephunky]

A Christian should believe everything they read in the Bible in the proper context, of course. Your comment is a perfect example of why married couples should be equally yoked, that is Christian and of the same mind. Both parties must accept our roles on this earth prescribed by God's Word, and it certainly helps if we do so willingly.

Do you only wear one material type at a time? Do you eat shellfish and all that fun stuff that is said to be sinful in the bible.

It is only gods word if he wrote it...since he didnt...

It is not your place to tell people how they should behave in their marriage. It is up to the two individuals to state how they want to interact with each other.

 

[MattiMuck]

Do you only wear one material type at a time? Do you eat shellfish and all that fun stuff that is said to be sinful in the bible.

It is only gods word if he wrote it...since he didnt...

It is not your place to tell people how they should behave in their marriage. It is up to the two individuals to state how they want to interact with each other.

Ahh the shellfish fall back...well, I do believe the Bible is God's Word and that He does have the right to tell us how to live. Also, Christians are not under the law, such as the dietary and sacrificial laws thanks to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. The Biblical view of marriage and husband/wife interaction is what it is. No amount of arguing is going to change that. I hope you accept it and Jesus someday

 

[elephunky]

Ahh the shellfish fall back...well, I do believe the Bible is God's Word and that He does have the right to tell us how to live. Also, Christians are not under the law, such as the dietary and sacrificial laws thanks to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. The Biblical view of marriage and husband/wife interaction is what it is. No amount of arguing is going to change that. I hope you accept it and Jesus someday

Oh so thanks to the sacrifice of jesus christ you can pick and choose what to follow and waht not to follow? Doesnt that mean that as a christian you are not abiding by ALL written in the bible as you previously claimed a christian should?

 

[MattiMuck]

Oh so thanks to the sacrifice of jesus christ you can pick and choose what to follow and waht not to follow? Doesnt that mean that as a christian you are not abiding by ALL written in the bible as you previously claimed a christian should?

No.

 

[elephunky]

No.

No to which bit? and why?

 

[MattiMuck]

I'm not going in circles. Read Romans-Jude...God bless.

 

[elephunky]

I'm not going in circles. Read Romans-Jude...God bless.

I will take this as a cop out. Thanks for the contribution.

 

[MattiMuck]

I will take this as a cop out. Thanks for the contribution.

Take it however you like, but if you're going to ask me why I believe what I believe, every point I would make based on the Bible would lead to another question and another point found in the Bible ad nauseum. If this thread is for anything more than mere argument, then it would be more beneficial for you to read the bible for yourself.

 

[elephunky]

Take it however you like, but if you're going to ask me why I believe what I believe, every point I would make based on the Bible would lead to another question and another point found in the Bible ad nauseum. If this thread is for anything more than mere argument, then it would be more beneficial for you to read the bible for yourself.

I basically called you out on a contradiction and you retreated very quickly, so I find it difficult to take what you write seriously now.You also make the assumption that I have never read the bible. Guess what brother, I have. I was a christian for about 11 years.

 

[intojoy]

I am not sure if this is the right spot to put this but it seems to relate to morals and ethics.

Is there any reason to get married anymore (besides people wanting to have sex) given that marriage is so easily disposed of in this day and age? You can make a vow of "Til death do us part"...but I guess they neglect to mention "for as long as I feel like this to be the case". What does it say when someone makes this vow but 10 - 20 years down the track just decides to bail?

Given that marriage is no longer taken seriously would it not be better to just remove the legality of marriage, replace it with unions across the board for everybody and leave "marriage" to religious groups where they are united under the god/gods/goddess etc.

Ah yea,

God: Adam here is your wife

Adam: oh she's great!

God: Adam, give your wife a kiss

Adam: what is that?
(God explains)

Adam: that was great!

God: now go make love to your wife

Adam: what's that?
(God explains)

Adam: God?

God: yes Adam?


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