Is Marriage Valid?

[Paradoxum]

I am not sure if this is the right spot to put this but it seems to relate to morals and ethics.

Is there any reason to get married anymore (besides people wanting to have sex) given that marriage is so easily disposed of in this day and age? You can make a vow of "Til death do us part"...but I guess they neglect to mention "for as long as I feel like this to be the case". What does it say when someone makes this vow but 10 - 20 years down the track just decides to bail?

Given that marriage is no longer taken seriously would it not be better to just remove the legality of marriage, replace it with unions across the board for everybody and leave "marriage" to religious groups where they are united under the god/gods/goddess etc.

To get married for love, commitment, and making life together easier? The intent is to stay together.

I don't see any reason to get rid of marriage. At least, non-religious groups, like humanists, should be able to marry people.

 

[CounselorForChrist]

As a christian marriage is more then just a ceremony to show our love. Its a thing God wants since you will be bonding intimately. Sadly though the world (and even some christians) no loner value marriage nor do they take the vows in it seriously. Most people divorce for the dumbest reasons despite the fact their divorce is unbiblical.

Such as divorcing because your spouse becomes disabled an you can't handle it. I guess the whole "Through sickness and in health!" don't mean anything to anyone anymore. Of course I myself don't believe in divorce, even when adultery is committed. I believe that was brought up for the people of that time who wouldn't stop looking for reasons to divorce. Because biblically God says he is against it and finds divorce disgusting essentially.

And yes I know someone will mention what about in cases of abuse. Well it doesn't say you can divorce because of abuse in the bible. Some will say "Well thats horrible, you expect someone to suffer until the day they die?". Yes I do. Not that I want them to suffer, but marriage is forever. I'd rather be faithful and stay married if I was being abused because my death (whether from abuse or natural) means I can go to heaven knowing I held true to what God wanted me to do...stay married.

Of course people often forget that if your being abused it doesn't mean you can't move out. Its what people do sometimes. They move out and stay married until their spouse gets help. If their spouse doesn't then they stayed moved out and thats that. If their spouse whos abusive starts talking with other women, well thats their problem because likely they will divorce you and be stuck living in adultery if they remarry.

 

[Issa9999]

good evening

 

[Issa9999]

the prophet ( Allah bless him and his family ): Oh man married and beware of adultery, it tends faith of the heart.

 

[Lethe]

And yes I know someone will mention what about in cases of abuse. Well it doesn't say you can divorce because of abuse in the bible. Some will say "Well thats horrible, you expect someone to suffer until the day they die?". Yes I do. Not that I want them to suffer, but marriage is forever. I'd rather be faithful and stay married if I was being abused because my death (whether from abuse or natural) means I can go to heaven knowing I held true to what God wanted me to do...stay married.

I never know whether you're for real or trolling. Because that is horrifying.

 

[Cearbhall]

Is there any reason to get married anymore (besides people wanting to have sex) given that marriage is so easily disposed of in this day and age? You can make a vow of "Til death do us part"...but I guess they neglect to mention "for as long as I feel like this to be the case". What does it say when someone makes this vow but 10 - 20 years down the track just decides to bail?

Given that marriage is no longer taken seriously would it not be better to just remove the legality of marriage, replace it with unions across the board for everybody and leave "marriage" to religious groups where they are united under the god/gods/goddess etc.

Perhaps marriage will be abolished one day, or at least demoted to a more general familial contract that isn't specifically meant for romantic relationships. For now, it still has important legal purposes. Marriage helps two-parent households unify their finances, visit each other in the hospital, etc. Marriage doesn't quite have the same connotations that it had a century ago, but the rate of termination isn't a reason to stop offering a type of legal contract when it's just as useful as ever.

 

[MattiMuck]

Mark 10:6-9 ESV

But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.' 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."

Man's changing law and acceptance of immorality doesn't trump God's law and what He expects from us. Even Christians are completely ignoring and making up their own rules to justify their choices. The Bible is clear on divorce, remarriage and adultery (Matt. 19:9).

 

[Lethe]

But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.' 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.'

Apparently there was a time between the beginning of creation and the time of the Gospels during which one man-one woman marriage wasn't standard.

Ever read the OT?

King Solomon, King David, Ahab... they all had many wives.

 

[Johnnz]

Apparently there was a time between the beginning of creation and the time of the Gospels during which one man-one woman marriage wasn't standard. Ever read the OT?

King Solomon, King David, Ahab... they all had many wives.

The did as was common for men is such positions, but not for the general population. It was about status and privilege not marriage norms.

John
NZ

 

[HitchSlap]

I am not sure if this is the right spot to put this but it seems to relate to morals and ethics.

Is there any reason to get married anymore (besides people wanting to have sex) given that marriage is so easily disposed of in this day and age? You can make a vow of "Til death do us part"...but I guess they neglect to mention "for as long as I feel like this to be the case". What does it say when someone makes this vow but 10 - 20 years down the track just decides to bail?

Given that marriage is no longer taken seriously would it not be better to just remove the legality of marriage, replace it with unions across the board for everybody and leave "marriage" to religious groups where they are united under the god/gods/goddess etc.

Really??? I take my marriage very seriously!

 

[HitchSlap]

The did as was common for men is such positions, but not for the general population. It was about status and privilege not marriage norms.

John
NZ

Every one puts their pants on one leg at a time.

 

[Lethe]

The did as was common for men is such positions, but not for the general population. It was about status and privilege not marriage norms.

Oh, I see. For a second there I thought you guys were telling us that God's truth was eternal or something.

 

[MattiMuck]

Apparently there was a time between the beginning of creation and the time of the Gospels during which one man-one woman marriage wasn't standard.

Ever read the OT?

King Solomon, King David, Ahab... they all had many wives.

Yes that is a historical fact that is recorded in the Bible, but there are many historical facts in the Bible that are meant for people to learn from not adhere to or live out. King David also murdered Uriah, Bathsheeba's husband just so he could take her as wife. Like polygamy, just because this occured in the Bible does not mean it was sanctioned by God. Mixing intended historical facts with moral teaching is an inaccurate way to interpret scripture, and usually intentionally dishonest.

 

[CabVet]

Yes that is a historical fact that is recorded in the Bible, but there are many historical facts in the Bible that are meant for people to learn from not adhere to or live out. King David also murdered Uriah, Bathsheeba's husband just so he could take her as wife. Like polygamy, just because this occured in the Bible does not mean it was sanctioned by God. Mixing intended historical facts with moral teaching is an inaccurate way to interpret scripture, and usually intentionally dishonest.

And who decides what is "historical fact" and what is "sanctioned by God"?

 

[Cearbhall]

It is a vow, a promise. If you cannot or will not honour it, do not make it. That is my point.

If that's how you choose to interpret it or if that's how your country views it, that's fine. Civil marriage in the US requires no such vow or promise.

 

[Sectio Aurea]

Is there any reason to get married anymore (besides people wanting to have sex) given that marriage is so easily disposed of in this day and age?

How could "people wanting to have sex" be a reason to get married?

 

[MattiMuck]

And who decides what is "historical fact" and what is "sanctioned by God"?

God...through the scriptures. The Bible. It is quite clear when people don't eisegete to fit their own desires.

 

[MattiMuck]

How could "people wanting to have sex" be a reason to get married?

1 Corinthians 7:2-5 ESV

But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

 

[Cearbhall]

How could "people wanting to have sex" be a reason to get married?

Some people who want to wait until marriage give their desire for sex some weight when deciding whether or not to get married.

 

[Sectio Aurea]

Some people who want to wait until marriage give their desire for sex some weight when deciding whether or not to get married.

Thanks Cearbhall, I am aware some couples refrain from sex with each other until marriage, I just fail to understand how wanting sex can be a valid reason to get married.