Is mark of the beast related to trusting in man which could be yourself rather than God?

mikeforjesus said:

Ok thanks for explaining it makes sense but why did you say prior to his ministry he was a carpenter are you saying that supports work or not because he was under the law to set us free from it. I believe a good Christian would work as Paul said to lead a quiet life and work with your own hands to walk properly to those outside

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when Jesus said things like

I am able to do nothing of Myself. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My will, but the will of the One having sent Me.

Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son is able to do nothing of Himself, if not anything He may see the Father doing; for whatever He does, these things also the Son does likewise.

For I have come down from heaven, not that I should do My will, but the will of the One having sent Me.

Jesus says to them, "My food is that I should do the will of the One having sent Me, and should finish His work.


he was referring to the finished work of his/our Father of which he entered into the rest thereof, notice that all the things the devil tempted Jesus with in the wilderness he later received, which is to say the tree yielded its fruit to him without him having to touch it ...

to enter into Gods rest is to not lean on your own understanding and one and the same as to pick up your cross ...

mikeforjesus said:

Ok thankyou I think that is true and I need to do that and I assume unless God explains I should not work I should assume I should and not make rules for myself

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For thus saith the LORD; Behold, they whose judgment was not to drink of the cup have assuredly drunken;


when we reason as in eat of the tree of two fruits it divides us , it is this mentality which is unstable being duel in nature .... it is a mixture and this lukewarm mentality where we are likened to a beast of a field, as in an identity we clothe or cover our self with of which Jesus referred to as a husband/identity/mentality not of our own ...

mikeforjesus said:

are you judging me ? That verse pronounced judgement on person it is too late for them to change. Is it too late for me to change?

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no i am not judging/measuring you, understanding that nothing is out of order ... we all must drink from the cup which is the purpose God purposed in Himself ...

Adam ate of his own reasoning before the law was spoken as the women ate from the tree before she touched it ... it is God who casts us out as it is God who gathers us back in .. a sowing and a reaping

it is our own reasoning which brings the end of it about and why Israel chose a serpent (Dan) and why Jesus chose a Devil (Judas) .... the serpents seed a necessity in the process of our souls journey of a there and back ..

God reveals to us who we are by who we are not ....

mikeforjesus said:

I plan to obey God if He leads me to it but for now I believe I have to assume I am supposed to show that I am a responsible person and hard worker. Also it is good to work to give to the poor. The ability to make money is a talent I can use to give to the poor if it comes natural to make money and I am not better used somewhere else. If I have the talent how can I be excused not to use it ? Atleast I must be a profitable servant by not wasting it and hindering myself from being profitable serving with it by giving parts only to those who would make more profit than I would with it. But if I can make profit I have to

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“Shout for joy, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth in song and cry aloud, you who have never travailed; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband,” says the LORD.

mikeforjesus said:

Interesting but I am refusing marriage when I could

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it is our five husbands which are summed up as a sixth and this husband not our own, which in turn makes the wife we have now a harlot ....

mikeforjesus said:

I mean I am not dating anyone I am choosing to be single

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seeing God declared the end from the beginning and this a finished work, is this choice of yours really yours

mikeforjesus said:

Maybe not. Maybe God made it more preferrable for me but I still have choices as Paul said he prefers others to remain as he is but if they married they have not sinned. It could be better for someone like me not to get married because I dont think others would endure my personality

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the thing to remember is that the scriptures are spiritual and therefore are of a spiritual language and this language without measure .... the natural world all about us including our flesh are but a reflection of a process of our soul and spirit .... the women/wife/feminine is a picture of our soul and the man/husband/masculine is a picture of our spirit ....

here are pictures of our wife/soul as a harlot gone a whoring after our flesh (five husbands/five senses) which affords her an identity not her own but of an other

And upon her forehead a name was written, a mystery: Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes,

a picture of a spirit/husband which affords our soul an identity/mentality of a beast of a field ..

let him count the number of the beast, for it is a man's number, and its number is six hundred sixty-six.

a picture of our soul/wife with the identity/mentality of a husband not her own who carries her or she rules over ...

and I saw a woman sitting upon a scarlet beast being full of names of blasphemy,

mikeforjesus said:

Could mark of the beast be obtained only by those who feel they need to go to work to support themselves ? Is it about trusting yourself and not God for your needs ?


I am not saying people should quit their jobs now but when Jesus said do not worry about tommorow he wants us not worrying how we are going to survive and find work. To best be following Christ and serving Him it is best to trust Him to find you the work suitable to you to be serving Him and having enough money to support your needs. It is not wrong to be working in any job but people should not be worrying about tommorow or finding work and feeling they need to conform to ungodly government to find work. But people should make sure they have the righteousness of the kingdom before worrying about if they will lose a job or are not very successful if they have not seeked first the righteousness of the kingdom . You can still work any job if it does not stop you seeking the righteousness of the kingdom but those best serve God who trust in God to find one work that is best used to serve God


Jesus said you can not serve God and mammon


ofcourse you have to work Paul was a tentmaker and said if any does not work he does not eat but Jesus said a work man is worthy of his wages and to seek first the kingdom of God and all these things will be added to you

the birds do not worry about food and God provides. Jesus said to pray for our daily bread. But we should be seeking first the kingdom of God and His righteousness then we are worthy of any work because we are doing His will and the work we do can further things for His kingdom


because mark of the beast is tied to you can’t buy or sell if you don’t have it


I know it seems unlikely the vaccine is the mark of the beast but it could be especially if it is in some way related to being put on hand or forehead maybe after you receive it it is somehow related to hand or forehead


It seems you can’t travel without the vaccine so it seems silly not to receive it but that is not much different than buying and selling


if you trust in another to supply your needs rather than God to promote you as good candidate for doing a certain job so you get paid where you are also serving the kingdom it seems not good

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You are supposed to be beheaded and not take it
You and everybody else will know when and what the mark of beast is , also can't really have mark of beast without the beast first which will be revealed.

Pastor Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel in Arkansas taught, the mark of the beast was in your mind and your mind controls your hands - the decisions you make will determine whether you are God's are Lucifer's.

My opinion is: the mark of the beast is the microchip. Until the invention of the computer there was no way possible for something to be in your forehead or in your hand, people always guessed. For decades governments have been trying to devise a way to stop using money, and reducing crime. Credit cards was one way, but credit card theft and ID theft is still abundant and won't solve the problem. But the microchip - all of your information can be placed on it - from Financial to Medical. Swipe of the hand or scanning of the forehead, simple - eliminate currency - you can still buy, sell, and trade, and live as usual, because all of your financial, ownerships, medical, and such information will be placed on the chip by the computer systems. As we know, much of the world now is ran by the computer systems. The Pope this year has mentioned a possible One World Currency, World Health Organization mentioned One World Government - since the covid-19 outbreak. A One World Government has been in talks for the past 20 years but has gotten nowhere. (It will sooner than we think most likely), once that occurs that gives way to the rise of the Antichrist who will head this government, be a servant to the to the Beast and mandate what is called the mark of the beast, as written in the Revelation 13.

The ultimate and Last Choice Christians have - do they accept it and continue to live as usual and face the lake of fire or do they deny it and be persecuted and receive redemption from our Creator.
But until the mark happens there is no absolute answer.

mikeforjesus said:

Could mark of the beast be obtained only by those who feel they need to go to work to support themselves ? Is it about trusting yourself and not God for your needs ?


I am not saying people should quit their jobs now but when Jesus said do not worry about tommorow he wants us not worrying how we are going to survive and find work. To best be following Christ and serving Him it is best to trust Him to find you the work suitable to you to be serving Him and having enough money to support your needs. It is not wrong to be working in any job but people should not be worrying about tommorow or finding work and feeling they need to conform to ungodly government to find work. But people should make sure they have the righteousness of the kingdom before worrying about if they will lose a job or are not very successful if they have not seeked first the righteousness of the kingdom . You can still work any job if it does not stop you seeking the righteousness of the kingdom but those best serve God who trust in God to find one work that is best used to serve God


Jesus said you can not serve God and mammon

ofcourse you have to work Paul was a tentmaker and said if any does not work he does not eat but Jesus said a work man is worthy of his wages and to seek first the kingdom of God and all these things will be added to you

the birds do not worry about food and God provides. Jesus said to pray for our daily bread. But we should be seeking first the kingdom of God and His righteousness then we are worthy of any work because we are doing His will and the work we do can further things for His kingdom


because mark of the beast is tied to you can’t buy or sell if you don’t have it


I know it seems unlikely the vaccine is the mark of the beast but it could be especially if it is in some way related to being put on hand or forehead maybe after you receive it it is somehow related to hand or forehead


It seems you can’t travel without the vaccine so it seems silly not to receive it but that is not much different than buying and selling


if you trust in another to supply your needs rather than God to promote you as good candidate for doing a certain job so you get paid where you are also serving the kingdom it seems not good

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Not sure it would apply to the virus? That could be a lying a sign as a wonder or unknown . Jesus said its an evil generation "non converted mankind (666) , that seeks after one, none was given but the sign of Jonas fulfilled by the Son of man, Jesus .

Most doctrines of God are found in Genesis.

It is about trusting yourself and not God for our needs. . all needs to include the ones not seen the spiritual . The mark was first applied to Cain a restless wander. No gospel rest no living hope as a promise of a new incorruptible body which the blood of Abel longs to or cries out to be clothed in.

Abel was yoked with Christ to make the burden lighter .Abel the first recorded martyr. Cain who saw no value in the unseen things of God (faith)

Cain the marked or sealed man refused to buy the truth of the gospel (believe God not seen) but influenced by the god of this world persecuted the gospel. Cain plowed Abel under. .The pagan foundation out of sight out of mind. (no faith coming from God)

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

Cain said his sufferings was more that he could bear but still refused to believe God who alone did bear it. Cain wanted to die but God in affect said "mark my living abiding word) what I declare will come to pass .If any man murders Cain the same mark (non converted) has already been applied to them .No faith

Genesis 4: 13-15 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Vengeance against the lord is the vengeance of the lord. No easy out for Cain sufferings the pangs of hell with no comfort till the last day .

Believer are marked with the seal of His gospel .They are moved by the gospel. they by the truth of the gospel and did not sell it for the things of this world.

Esau seeing no value in the unseen things of God sold his birth rite for a cup of goat soup.

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

In that way sealed in our minds we can follow the loving commandment below. (Look not. . .let this)

Philippians 2:4-6 King James Version (KJV) Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Interesting. I've also pondered on the idea of work. Jesus asked us not to worry about what we need, during his ministry there were women who sustained his disciples and himself financially also we witnessed certain financial miracles in his lifetime e.g. the coin found inside a Fish as He instructed was used to pay tax, also He fed more than five thousand people twice, miraculously, when Peter followed his instruction he caught more fish than he had ever done in one day throughout his career. Thus we can see that when He said we are not to worry about our needs He meant it. He meant that God can cause us to find favor with people and they will in turn supply our needs, he can also miraculously provide just like He gave manna, quails and water to the Israelites, psalm 127 seems to imply that hard work is futile because God provides for His children even while they sleep

Joined2krist said:

Interesting. I've also pondered on the idea of work. Jesus asked us not to worry about what we need, during his ministry there were women who sustained his disciples and himself financially also we witnessed certain financial miracles in his lifetime e.g. the coin found inside a Fish as He instructed was used to pay tax, also He fed more than five thousand people twice, miraculously, when Peter followed his instruction he caught more fish than he had ever done in one day throughout his career. Thus we can see that when He said we are not to worry about our needs He meant it. He meant that God can cause us to find favor with people and they will in turn supply our needs, he can also miraculously provide just like He gave manna, quails and water to the Israelites, psalm 127 seems to imply that hard work is futile because God provides for His children even while they sleep

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Being yoked with Christ makes the hard work easier. Like that of Abel who did the good work of Christ that worked in him to both will and empower him to bring the right sacrifice .

Cain like those in Hebrew 6:4-6 heard the word and tasted of the unseen power but would not trust in a God not seen .As a marked man (666) the number of the unconverted mankind the punishment as the wage of sin was greater than he could bear. He wanted to die rather than bear with it . . the wage of sin

Christ bore that burden with Able in whom he had grace or favor on.
Hebrews 6:9-10 informs us it is the kind of labor of God's love that acompanies salvation. In so much that God promises he will not forget the good work that acompanies his name. . the power to perform it without murmuring in unbelief (no faith)like Cain . . Philippians 2:13-14

mikeforjesus said:

Could mark of the beast be obtained only by those who feel they need to go to work to support themselves ? Is it about trusting yourself and not God for your needs ?...

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I think it is simply what the Bible tells:

He causes all, the small and the great, the rich and the poor, and the free and the slave, to be given marks on their right hands, or on their foreheads; and that no one would be able to buy or to sell, unless he has that mark, the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Rev. 13:16-17

And the beast seems to be the one world government.