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Is Lucifer Satan?

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Isaiah 14:12 is referring to King of Babylon but symbolically could also be applied to Satan. Lucifer is not Satan's name before the fall, it merely describes Satan's position as a "bright star" or highest of the Angels... Lucifer, Devil, Satan... they are not names of the chief of devils, but words that describe what he is. Lucifer - "Bright Star" (how he was before the fall), Satan - Wrath (after the Fall), Devil - Accuser (his role).
 
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And where does it state that God gave him the job of accuser? And of course, God allowed Job to be tested, he can't do anything without God's permission.?
What does " if we receive good at the hand of God, shall we not receive evil" imply?
Job 2:10
But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Job says that God touched him testing him with evil, he did not say a fallen angel touched him.

Job 19:21 Have pity upon me, have pity upon me, O ye my friends; for the hand of God hath touched me.

Job 4:9
By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed.
And you really believe that the following is strictly about the King of Tyre?
Ez 28:11-15--"The word of the Lord came to me: Son of man, take up a lament concerning the King of Tyre and say to him: This is what the Lord says:?
Repeat again what the Bible says> Son of man, take up a lament concerning the King of Tyre
Son of man, take up a lament concerning the King of Tyre
Son of man, take up a lament concerning the King of Tyre
Son of man, take up a lament concerning the King of Tyre
The tabernacle was all very symbolic. Everything had a reason--what was the scapegoat??
Don't you know why Christ died?

The goat that was let go hence, a person after the Jewish chief priest had symbolically laid the sins of the people upon it, that to be made as an escape and death in the wilderness to bear the blame for others on the Day of Atonement.

"Azazel" was a name given to the goat itself, on account of his being let go; the goat going away, or destroyed by death.

As the goat "for Jehovah" was to witness to the demerit of sin and the need of the blood of atonement, so the goat "for Azazel" was to witness to the efficacy of the sacrifice and the result of the shedding of blood in the taking away of sin [and death]. [Barnes]

Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

And who was the serpent in the garden of Eden that tempted Eve?
The same as was made to speak to Balaam.

Num 22:25; Num 22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
 
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"On the day the Lord gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labour forced on you, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended! How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.' But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit. Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: 'Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, the man who made the world a wilderness, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?'"

You are seeing this like most people. The Bible is not a description of men, but of THE man. The Son of God we know from the New Testament is the baptized and risen Christ. He was made new. New from what? Yahweh. The descriptions above, and in Ezekiel 28, are of Yahweh (Ego of the Son of God). He is then the morning star (Christ). To rise, he must first fall. To be destroyed on the cross, he must first have necessitated the baptism he received. As a mirror, all of mankind is in the same process.

Do we wrestle against flesh and blood? No. We wrestle against powers in heavenly places. Who is this we wrestle against?

Colossians 1

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

The same Ego/Conscience that is the Accuser / Adversary waring against the nations is the same Yahweh/Satan in all of us. Who made Satan?

Genesis 3:1

3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made.

As I resound like a clanging symbol on this topic, eventually, people will come to see this clearly. The Son of God had to be made new. So must we all. If humans must be made new in baptism (entering the waters below), so must the Son of God do the same to be fully human. He was FULLY human. You MUST be born again. We have ALL been born again here in the waters.

1 Peter 3

19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

Where did he go? To the pit. Why? He told the lost souls that had fallen how to get out. How? Beasts in the flood (Baptism). You MUST be born again. Resurrection is not to heaven. Salvation has not yet come.

Hebrews 9

POINT A - But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; POINT B - and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Between point A and B, where are you? IN the waters. Spirit only comes after Christ returns.

How many baptisms are there? In Matthew 3, there are 5. Water, Fire and Sprint are mentioned in the New Testament. Earth and Air in the Old (Genesis 1). What puts out fire? Ultimately, Spirit. Water puts out fire here. ALL will be baptized in Spirit. All will be saved. Only 8 were saved in the flood, but this was our example. God is patient. The flood will save all. It's not the ones in the Ark, but the ones in the waters below the ark God is interested in.

Isaiah 26

19 But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.

20 Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
21 See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed on it;
the earth will conceal its slain no longer.

Has the coming wrath mentioned in Matthew 3 happened? No. We are the morning dew. We hit the ground, then rise when the Sun comes to distill and evaporate the water.

He has not yet come. Each person is unique and will not live again. The Spirit entering the host will live again. We are each a unique Spirit given by God, occupying the ONE soul of the Son.

He is the Lord of Hosts. He is the fallen. We are images of his fall.

In all cases, the Bible is speaking of the fallen image of the Son. By this, you know how to rise. He's our example. Even the parts you would rather call an enemy (namely, his Satan).

Forgive all enemies, even the conscience (Satan / Accuser).

In Genesis 2, Man was naked (Arum). In Genesis 3, Satan was Arummim (Clothed / Cunning). Why was he made Arummim? For YOUR benefit. Until you are clothed, you cannot silence your conscience. When you overcome the adversary (Ego / Yahweh), you do the same as Christ. You silence Satan.

No mystery if you know the mystery. Being clothed with Christ is the nature of the one saved in the water.

TRUTH in Hebrew is Aleph Mem Tav (EMET). Strong Water Mark. In Hebrew, missing the mark is the word Chet (Sin).

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Beasts in the water moving to the cross. God is the Father (OX) pulling us through. He is with us as the beast. The Ark was only one part of the story. The water is the other part.

God leaves no one behind.
 
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