if so, how?
I once heard this idiotic old man made this statement, but he never gave a rational for it
I once heard this idiotic old man made this statement, but he never gave a rational for it
The ALP? Or s there some party by the same name in your "country"?if so, how?
I once heard this idiotic old man made this statement, but he never gave a rational for it
The present Australian Labor Party has its origins in the Labour parties founded in the 1890s in the Australian colonies prior to federation. Labor tradition ascribes the founding of Queensland Labour to a meeting of striking pastoral workers under a ghost gum tree (the "Tree of Knowledge") in Barcaldine, Queensland in 1891.
The ALP adopted the formal name "Australian Labour Party" in 1908, but changed the spelling to "Labor" in 1912. While it is standard practice in Australian English both today and at the time to spell the word "labour" with a "u", the party was influenced by the United States labor movement, and a prominent figure in the early history of the party, the American-born King O'Malley, was successful in having the spelling "modernised".
ALP stands for Australian Labor Party.
It's Australia's oldest political party. Bear in mind we've only been a constituted nation since 1901. Prior to that each state was a separate colony in the British Empire.
From Wikipedia.
In the beginning, it was a worker's party, when Australia was still pretty much an agrarian society, and the land owners had most of the money and power.
One thing you might find interesting is the American spelling of the word "Labor" in the Australian Labor Party. Even though Queensland, the state where the party began, was very much a British colony at the time of its origin way back in the 1890's, the party was heavily influenced by the United States labor movement. There was also a shadowy figure, an American by the name of King O'Malley, who was successful in having the name changed to "Labor" to reflect the American spelling.
http://english.stackexchange.com/qu...-the-australian-labor-party-spelt-without-a-u
I tend to vote ALP myself, but I do have concerns about some of its policies. At the time of its origins, the leaders were workers, and a lot of them were probably Irish Catholics at that. But these days they're usually well educated, have university degrees, and probably have left wing tendencies. I don't have a problem with that per se, but I do have a problem with the sense that abortion should be a right (ie. the right to murder an unborn child, no questions asked), and some other issues eg. gay marriage.
I suppose this is par for the course - I was talking to a priest who's main course of study as part of his seminary training was "ethics" - they all specialise in something. The last I heard he was the president or chair or whatever of the Caroline Chisholm Centre for Health Ethics. He may not be there now, as this was a few years ago, but he did hold the role for a while.
http://www.mercyhealth.com.au/au/ccche/Pages/Caroline Chisholm Centre for Health Ethics.aspx
He stated that he usually found that conservatives (aka well-off capitalists), were strong on sexual ethics, but not very good when it came to the economics of social justice. On the other hand, the left wingers (aka socialist) were strong on economic ethics, but pretty poor when it came to sexual ethics. And I think that's a fair reflection of politics all around. In the USA for example, the Republicans are gung-ho when it comes to opposing abortion and gay marriage, but when it comes to a better deal for the poor?? Ditto Tories in England?? Labour Party in England?? (With the British spelling you might notice).
And the Democrats?? Kill every last unborn child if one of their political heroes gets their way, but do what they can for the poor?? They'll try, even though they're wealthy themselves, and some might say, very dishonestly.
So there's a lot of hypocrisy on both sides.
The ALP is not intrinsically anti-Christian, and I know a couple of local state parliamentary figures and one former Federal member who would claim to be Christian (Catholic), and mean what they say. But there is a strong humanist influence at work also, and if they're not careful, I think God will judge them for it. And the easiest way for Him to damage or destroy them would be to turn their factions against each other.
I remember talking to an ALP stalwart who once said to me "The ALP factions hate each other more than they do the opposition."
Thank you for that and that is the best response to this topic I have seen. Yet as Christians we have urged to pray for the political leaders even the ones we do not like.ALP stands for Australian Labor Party.
It's Australia's oldest political party. Bear in mind we've only been a constituted nation since 1901. Prior to that each state was a separate colony in the British Empire.
From Wikipedia.
In the beginning, it was a worker's party, when Australia was still pretty much an agrarian society, and the land owners had most of the money and power.
One thing you might find interesting is the American spelling of the word "Labor" in the Australian Labor Party. Even though Queensland, the state where the party began, was very much a British colony at the time of its origin way back in the 1890's, the party was heavily influenced by the United States labor movement. There was also a shadowy figure, an American by the name of King O'Malley, who was successful in having the name changed to "Labor" to reflect the American spelling.
http://english.stackexchange.com/qu...-the-australian-labor-party-spelt-without-a-u
I tend to vote ALP myself, but I do have concerns about some of its policies. At the time of its origins, the leaders were workers, and a lot of them were probably Irish Catholics at that. But these days they're usually well educated, have university degrees, and probably have left wing tendencies. I don't have a problem with that per se, but I do have a problem with the sense that abortion should be a right (ie. the right to murder an unborn child, no questions asked), and some other issues eg. gay marriage.
I suppose this is par for the course - I was talking to a priest who's main course of study as part of his seminary training was "ethics" - they all specialise in something. The last I heard he was the president or chair or whatever of the Caroline Chisholm Centre for Health Ethics. He may not be there now, as this was a few years ago, but he did hold the role for a while.
http://www.mercyhealth.com.au/au/ccche/Pages/Caroline Chisholm Centre for Health Ethics.aspx
He stated that he usually found that conservatives (aka well-off capitalists), were strong on sexual ethics, but not very good when it came to the economics of social justice. On the other hand, the left wingers (aka socialist) were strong on economic ethics, but pretty poor when it came to sexual ethics. And I think that's a fair reflection of politics all around. In the USA for example, the Republicans are gung-ho when it comes to opposing abortion and gay marriage, but when it comes to a better deal for the poor?? Ditto Tories in England?? Labour Party in England?? (With the British spelling you might notice).
And the Democrats?? Kill every last unborn child if one of their political heroes gets their way, but do what they can for the poor?? They'll try, even though they're wealthy themselves, and some might say, very dishonestly.
So there's a lot of hypocrisy on both sides.
The ALP is not intrinsically anti-Christian, and I know a couple of local state parliamentary figures and one former Federal member who would claim to be Christian (Catholic), and mean what they say. But there is a strong humanist influence at work also, and if they're not careful, I think God will judge them for it. And the easiest way for Him to damage or destroy them would be to turn their factions against each other.
I remember talking to an ALP stalwart who once said to me "The ALP factions hate each other more than they do the opposition."
Thank you for that and that is the best response to this topic I have seen. Yet as Christians we have urged to pray for the political leaders even the ones we do not like.
So because someone doesn't do the right thing then you conclude it is automatically not true? Thats some very poor logic there.is that why Franklin Graham got so many nice things to say about Obama? Give me break!
So because someone doesn't do the right thing then you conclude it is automatically not true? Thats some very poor logic there.
well justify why you bought up Franklin Graham in response to the post you quoted then. There is absolutely no justification for you to have done that. Your post essentially is presenting one small piece of information.where in mine sentence did I say that I think it is not true?
do you want to get into a discussion about what the truth actually meant in the scripture?
taking things out context and only present a small part of information out of that whole context in order to make a person look bad is lying
Franklin Graham love to point out how ungodly Obama is, but he never seem address the fact Obama is the one, not the Republicans, trying to bring health coverage to ALL, which funny enough, you get many Americans on this forum actually question whether ability to receive to health care should be a right at all.
What has Frankin Graham or Obama got to do with the Australian election? American politics and its religious culture has always been different from Australia. If you wish to debate Frankin Graham or Obama then go to an American political room and discuss that, unless they are comming out here in order to influence the next federal election.is that why Franklin Graham got so many nice things to say about Obama? Give me break!
Although what we need to remember is that when they had a different policy they got hammered by voters. So sad fact is it is what the majority wants and we need to accept that and then engage in respectful discussion to change peoples views.Even the Liberal party can have anti christian agenda to it especially in regards to the treatment of asylum seekers. Unfortanately Labor has embraced the Liberal asylum seeking policies.
I would certainly vote for Labor if they don't endorse marriage equality and to abolish the safe school program which is far from safe. Even so I voted for a non mainstream party as there are even policies with Liberals I am opposed to and will likely to continue to do so in future elections.Although what we need to remember is that when they had a different policy they got hammered by voters. So sad fact is it is what the majority wants and we need to accept that and then engage in respectful discussion to change peoples views.
At the time of its origins, the leaders were workers, and a lot of them were probably Irish Catholics at that.
The ALP is not intrinsically anti-Christian, and I know a couple of local state parliamentary figures and one former Federal member who would claim to be Christian (Catholic), and mean what they say.
if so, how?
I once heard this idiotic old man made this statement, but he never gave a rational for it