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is Labour party anti Christian?

Discussion in 'Australian & New Zealand' started by TravelerFarAwayFromHome, Oct 23, 2015.

  1. TravelerFarAwayFromHome

    TravelerFarAwayFromHome Broken but loved

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    if so, how?

    I once heard this idiotic old man made this statement, but he never gave a rational for it
     
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  2. TheDag

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    No they are not. However many like to say that because conservative parties tend to support a couple of policies that most christians tend to agree with. Usually related to same sex marriage & abortion. However I believe people ignore their policies that look after wealthy people but take from poor plus all the other anti-biblical policies they have. Also many people in conservative parties claim to be christian and people think wow a christian so I will vote for them. However they do not look at the fruits to see if the person is most likely a christian or not. All too often their fruits would suggest they are not.
     
  3. Armoured

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    The ALP? Or s there some party by the same name in your "country"?
     
  4. Bob Crowley

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    ALP stands for Australian Labor Party.

    It's Australia's oldest political party. Bear in mind we've only been a constituted nation since 1901. Prior to that each state was a separate colony in the British Empire.

    From Wikipedia.

    In the beginning, it was a worker's party, when Australia was still pretty much an agrarian society, and the land owners had most of the money and power.

    One thing you might find interesting is the American spelling of the word "Labor" in the Australian Labor Party. Even though Queensland, the state where the party began, was very much a British colony at the time of its origin way back in the 1890's, the party was heavily influenced by the United States labor movement. There was also a shadowy figure, an American by the name of King O'Malley, who was successful in having the name changed to "Labor" to reflect the American spelling.

    http://english.stackexchange.com/qu...-the-australian-labor-party-spelt-without-a-u

    I tend to vote ALP myself, but I do have concerns about some of its policies. At the time of its origins, the leaders were workers, and a lot of them were probably Irish Catholics at that. But these days they're usually well educated, have university degrees, and probably have left wing tendencies. I don't have a problem with that per se, but I do have a problem with the sense that abortion should be a right (ie. the right to murder an unborn child, no questions asked), and some other issues eg. gay marriage.

    I suppose this is par for the course - I was talking to a priest who's main course of study as part of his seminary training was "ethics" - they all specialise in something. The last I heard he was the president or chair or whatever of the Caroline Chisholm Centre for Health Ethics. He may not be there now, as this was a few years ago, but he did hold the role for a while.

    http://www.mercyhealth.com.au/au/ccche/Pages/Caroline Chisholm Centre for Health Ethics.aspx

    He stated that he usually found that conservatives (aka well-off capitalists), were strong on sexual ethics, but not very good when it came to the economics of social justice. On the other hand, the left wingers (aka socialist) were strong on economic ethics, but pretty poor when it came to sexual ethics. And I think that's a fair reflection of politics all around. In the USA for example, the Republicans are gung-ho when it comes to opposing abortion and gay marriage, but when it comes to a better deal for the poor?? Ditto Tories in England?? Labour Party in England?? (With the British spelling you might notice).

    And the Democrats?? Kill every last unborn child if one of their political heroes gets their way, but do what they can for the poor?? They'll try, even though they're wealthy themselves, and some might say, very dishonestly.

    So there's a lot of hypocrisy on both sides.

    The ALP is not intrinsically anti-Christian, and I know a couple of local state parliamentary figures and one former Federal member who would claim to be Christian (Catholic), and mean what they say. But there is a strong humanist influence at work also, and if they're not careful, I think God will judge them for it. And the easiest way for Him to damage or destroy them would be to turn their factions against each other.

    I remember talking to an ALP stalwart who once said to me "The ALP factions hate each other more than they do the opposition."
     
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  5. TravelerFarAwayFromHome

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    thank you for your detailed and intelligent response

    I am a New Zealander actually

    and I was talking about New Zealand Labour party

    you are spot on in your analysis on Australian Labour Party, which applies to New Zealand labour party as well

    here is the thing

    National party here in New Zealand say all the right things about abortion, but they will never do anything about it, because most people don't agree with it, and it will be more so as years go by, as the younger generations replace the older ones

    in fact, National party had already voted for legalization of gay marriage, so that point is moot.

    so National is really good at talking the talk, but they will never walk the walk

    in facts, they gone back on their words when it comes to gay marriage

    However, their neoliberal economic policies are not just talk

    every single time they are in government, they are very successful at pushing through those policies, so it is not talk only

    it is scary to see our PM John Key and the vision he has for New Zealand.

    He consistently deny there is housing crisis, dragging his feet ( still is) when it comes to coming up and implementing policies to stop foreign buyers from speculating on New Zealand housing market and drive up the prices

    right now Auckland is the fifth most expensive cities in the world

    National effort of privatize our power company, based on the neoliberal idea of minimal government intervention, and allow the market forces to take it's place, and through create market competitions, the prices will remain reasonable

    well, the opposite have happened

    and it should not be a surprise

    we "know" neoliberal idea don't work because it is a grossly simplistic model that does not take into factors such as human greed, in another word, people did not get into business to benefit humanity, they do it to maximize profit

    John Key even talk once about wanting to privatize our health care like in the US

    even though everyone knows how that turned out

    in the USA, not only insurance companies are squeezing people dry, but the cost of providing health care per capita is also one of the highest in the world

    I have never heard of a business man who is willing to pass whatever extra profits they have made through cost cutting to consumers, instead of lining their own pocket

    is John Key a moron who doesn't understand this?

    well, he spend years building an extremely successful career in Merill Lynch, so one would assume he is far more financial literate and has far better grasp on public policies than rest of us

    John Key, like many of those Wall Street bankers who caused the financial crisis, has no heart

    his ideal society is one that is survival of fittest, where only the strong survives, and the weak ( including those who are disabled) should be weeded out

    there should a special place reserve in hell for people like him
     
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  6. dude99

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    Thank you for that and that is the best response to this topic I have seen. Yet as Christians we have urged to pray for the political leaders even the ones we do not like.
     
  7. TravelerFarAwayFromHome

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    is that why Franklin Graham got so many nice things to say about Obama? Give me break!
     
  8. TheDag

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    So because someone doesn't do the right thing then you conclude it is automatically not true? Thats some very poor logic there.
     
  9. TravelerFarAwayFromHome

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    where in mine sentence did I say that I think it is not true?

    do you want to get into a discussion about what the truth actually meant in the scripture?

    taking things out context and only present a small part of information out of that whole context in order to make a person look bad is lying

    Franklin Graham love to point out how ungodly Obama is, but he never seem address the fact Obama is the one, not the Republicans, trying to bring health coverage to ALL, which funny enough, you get many Americans on this forum actually question whether ability to receive to health care should be a right at all.
     
  10. TheDag

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    well justify why you bought up Franklin Graham in response to the post you quoted then. There is absolutely no justification for you to have done that. Your post essentially is presenting one small piece of information.
     
  11. dude99

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    What has Frankin Graham or Obama got to do with the Australian election? American politics and its religious culture has always been different from Australia. If you wish to debate Frankin Graham or Obama then go to an American political room and discuss that, unless they are comming out here in order to influence the next federal election.

    The reason why I stated we are to pray for the political leaders is due to it states in the Bible and and example is: 1 Timothy 2:1-2
    1 Timothy 2:1–2,
    First of all, then, I urge that supplication, prayers, intercession, and thanksgiving be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions.
     
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  12. Spiritlight

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    The ALP or coalition represents voters in electorates that are generally secular and would have pubs and clubs outnumber churches in any suburb. The Political parties stances are an opinion poll away from whats popular sentiment at the time. Their loyalties are embedded in that and what corporation is bribing them at the time. It might tolerate Christianity as a minority group or appear to be christian if it suits them before an election to get votes but pro Christianity no!
     
  13. dude99

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    Even the Liberal party can have anti christian agenda to it especially in regards to the treatment of asylum seekers. Unfortanately Labor has embraced the Liberal asylum seeking policies.
     
  14. TheDag

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    Although what we need to remember is that when they had a different policy they got hammered by voters. So sad fact is it is what the majority wants and we need to accept that and then engage in respectful discussion to change peoples views.
     
  15. dude99

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    I would certainly vote for Labor if they don't endorse marriage equality and to abolish the safe school program which is far from safe. Even so I voted for a non mainstream party as there are even policies with Liberals I am opposed to and will likely to continue to do so in future elections.
     
  16. Radagast

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    The Irish Catholics famously walked out/were kicked out of the ALP in 1955, in protest against its pro-Communist policies, forming the Democratic Labor Party (DLP) under the influence of the inimitable B. A. Santamaria.

    Several unions disaffiliated from the ALP during that split, notably the "Shoppies," who eventually re-affiliated under Hawke.
     
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  17. Tomm

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    The ALP is not intrinsically anti-Christian?
    They might not be intrinsically anti-Christian, but practically they are -- they legalised divorce, they support homosexuality, gay marriage and abortion.
     
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    The Labor/Greens Ongoing War on Christianity

    With the crucial Victorian state election just hours away, the two major hard-left political parties in Australia have told us yet again how much they hate Christianity and how much they want to see it silenced altogether. While Victorian Labor and the Greens will be unleashing yet more damage and devastation if re-elected, the federal parties also continue their war on Christianity.



    The Labor/Greens Ongoing War on Christianity - CultureWatch
     
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  20. FutureAndAHope

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    When ever I vote, I vote by the moral stand that a party is taking first an foremost. As things like economics will not vary much between parties.

    Personally I class the Labor Party as moving towards anti-christian policies, such as a strong push to support homosexuality in society, and this election an increase in abortion. As such it will be lower down my list when I vote. I will be putting the Coalition before Labor, purely on a moral stand point.

    I have voted Labor in the past due to stronger overseas giving, but this year I am very angry with them, and will certainly not be voting for them this election.
     
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