Is Jesus name a fraud?

[PaladinValer]

Logos, not Jesus, or Yeshua, or "Yasha'," is the Name of God the Son.

If you want to be literal, go with Logos.

 

[mysheep]

"Did Mary and Joseph, being that they were Hebrew; did they call their son by an English name which didn't exist until the 17th century, whereas Jesus doesn't mean a Savior brings salvation to free you-- or did they call Yasha' by His holy Hebrew name which means the Savior will bring salvation and set His people free when they call His name?"

"yasha":
3467 yasha` yaw-shah' a primitive root; properly, to be open, wide or free, i.e. (by implication) to be safe; causatively, to free or succor:--X at all, avenging, defend, deliver(-er), help, preserve, rescue, be safe, bring (having) salvation, save(-iour), get victory.

Evidence-Isa 63:8 For he said 0559 , Surely they [are] my people 05971, children 01121 [that] will not lie 08266 : so he was their Saviour 03467 .


Isaiah 52
6Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

 

[ScottBot]

I don't worship or place faith in a bunch of letters. I place it in God Almighty, regardless of how you spell it.

 

[constance]

mysheep, you are taking Bible verses out of context - and words from those verses out of context.

What kind of church do you go to?

Constance

 

[mysheep]

Do we put our faith towards what unholy men say or do we put our faith in our Savior's holy name according to His Holy Word?

Acts 3:16
"And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know:"

 

[mysheep]

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[ScottBot]

Do we put our faith towards what unholy men say or do we put our faith in our Savior's holy name according to His Holy Word?

Acts 3:16
"And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know:"

I put my faith in the Holy Word of God, Jesus Christ, Yeshua, Iesus, Kristos, Iesu, however you spell it.

 

[ScottBot]

Ooooo, quote the Scriptures game. I love this!!!!

[bible]2 Peter 1:19-21[/bible]

 

[constance]

mysheep, can you give us a link to your web research or tell us about your church?

Constance

 

[BigChrisfilm]

And it just keeps going like this, ever single post I have ever seen from this guy? WHO ARE YOU! lol.

 

[constance]

BigChris, have you ever seen The Merchant of Venice? I don't know why, but this passage just popped into my head.

Mark you this, Bassanio,
The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart:
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!

-William Shakespeare (The Merchant of Venice)

 

[BigChrisfilm]

I haven't understood one thing you have said since coming here, if you would try and explain to me, in simple, human, terms what you are trying to say, then I might be able to help you.

 

[constance]

mysheep, can you tell us your interpretation of Matthew 7:15?

Thanks,
Constance

 

[cavymom]

"What good is Jesus name if you continue to suffer and it doesn't deliver you from suffering?"

Do not speak against the Lord God who has the name above all names... Jesus name is power

Philippians 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people. 24 Then His fame went throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all sick people who were afflicted with various diseases and torments, and those who were demon-possessed, epileptics, and paralytics; and He healed them. 25 Great multitudes followed Him--from Galilee, and from Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea, and beyond the Jordan.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

Matthew 17:17 Then Jesus answered and said, "O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I bear with you? Bring him here to Me." 18 And Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of him; and the child was cured from that very hour. 19 Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, "Why could we not cast it out?" 20 So Jesus said to them, "Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you. 21 However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting."

 

[livingword26]

Jesus is the savior, they are one and the same:

Titus 3:5-6
He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior ,

"Yasha" is not a name or a title, it is a description of our Lord. All of Jesus' disciples were killed for their faith. Paul spent his whole life being attacked, beaten and imprisoned for the name of his Savior Jesus Christ. Here are some interesting verses:

Rev 2:10
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer : behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
KJV

1 Peter 4:19
19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
KJV

2 Tim 2:10-12
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer , we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
KJV

Rom 8:17-18
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
KJV

 

[woobadooba]

Many people call it but why are they still suffering?

Don't you believe there is power in the name of Jesus Christ?

How about this...

What does a name represent according to the Jewish culture?

And what does it mean to pray in the name of Jesus Christ?

 

[livingword26]

Do you trust the idol mind of those who play in the devils playground, which seek wisdom from the one eyed monster, or do you study to seek after His Word and prove all things, rightly dividing the Word of truth, a workman not being ashamed to know the truth?

Rightly dividing the Word of truth is exactly what needs to be done here:

Acts 4:10-12

10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved
KJV

 

[IronFire]

The following link might be usefull for people wanting more information:

http://assemblyofyahshua.com/

And an index of such churches:
http://www.geocities.com/sabbath_7th_day/sacred_name.html

I personally have a friend who is in a 'church' that only uses 'Yahweh' and 'Yahshua'. They also follow all of the OT laws like feasts and sabbath. They also don't celebrate any holidays, not even birthdays. They also believe Jesus was not God, but just a man (!!!).
I'm also the only friend he has (I just met him 2 months ago, and he tells me I'm the only person he knows beside his church members. I belive him.)
Even so, I can only visit him on Sunday (although I haven't been able to yet) and can only call him once a week. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions...

I didn't mean to go on and on, just wanted to shed some light on the subject...

 

[Tavita]

"Did Mary and Joseph, being that they were Hebrew; did they call their son by an English name which didn't exist until the 17th century, whereas Jesus doesn't mean a Savior brings salvation to free you-- or did they call Yasha' by His holy Hebrew name which means the Savior will bring salvation and set His people free when they call His name?"

"yasha":
3467 yasha` yaw-shah' a primitive root; properly, to be open, wide or free, i.e. (by implication) to be safe; causatively, to free or succor:--X at all, avenging, defend, deliver(-er), help, preserve, rescue, be safe, bring (having) salvation, save(-iour), get victory.

Evidence-Isa 63:8 For he said 0559 , Surely they [are] my people 05971, children 01121 [that] will not lie 08266 : so he was their Saviour 03467 .


Isaiah 52
6Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

You are part of the sacred names movement, mysheep. I was part of that movement for a couple of years too until I became so bound up in it I needed my SAVIOR for deliverance!

He has given me healing by the name Yeshua, Y'shua, Yehoshua, and by the name JESUS.. because it's all the same name.... (though Yasha is one I hadn't tried - sounds like some sort of insurance scheme doesn't it?). God knows our hearts and He know's who we are calling out to, the Spirit of God is not dumb.

 

[constance]

mysheep, do you believe that Yasha is God, yet a man, died for our sins, and rose again and sent the Spirit to comfort us?