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Is Jesus God ?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Han Solo 111, May 21, 2021.

  1. Han Solo 111

    Han Solo 111 New Member

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    Is Jesus God ? (God the Son)

    So like Jesus is God in human form ?
    This is one of the core tenets of Christianity right?
     
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    Yes he is!
     
  3. tampasteve

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    Yes, Jesus is God, a member of the Trinity.

    The Nicene Creed outlines it in a succinct way:

    I believe in one God,
    the Father almighty,
    maker of heaven and earth,
    of all things visible and invisible.

    I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
    the Only Begotten Son of God,
    born of the Father before all ages.
    God from God, Light from Light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
    through him all things were made.
    For us men and for our salvation
    he came down from heaven,
    and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
    and became man.
    For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
    he suffered death and was buried,
    and rose again on the third day
    in accordance with the Scriptures.
    He ascended into heaven
    and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
    He will come again in glory
    to judge the living and the dead
    and his kingdom will have no end.

    I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
    who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
    who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
    who has spoken through the prophets.

    I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
    I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
    and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
    and the life of the world to come. Amen.
     
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  4. dóxatotheó

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    (you should never say form because God does not take forms) Jesus is God correction but he was God before the incarnation he was the logos of God which was the wisdom and power of God to help us in eternity who were deprived, he was sent(humble himself) in human flesh for us to be back in the likeness of God because we were fallen from grace cause adam and eve Jesus was not literally Gods Son that was the role he established when he humbled himself in paternity with the Father
     
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  5. Albion

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    Yes.
    Yes, but not just appearing to be human. God actually took on our nature.

    Very definitely so.
     
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  6. Ivan Hlavanda

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    John 10:30 'I and Father are One' so if Jesus was not God, He lied in John 10:30, therefore He was a sinner, and could have not died for our sins.

    The Father Himself testified of Jesus in Matthew 3:17 'and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

    The punishment for sin is death. We humans are sinners, which not only means we are dying physically, but are dead spiritually. We can do nothing for our salvation, we are like the lame man in John 5 (I recommend reading it for better understanding).

    Jesus had to perfectly obey the Father here on Earth, which He did, even upon cross. Because the sinless Jesus died, His punishment was invalid, therefore He was risen. Everyone who truly believes in Him, will be risen in Him.

    Whomsoever denies Jesus is God, is crucifying Him, over and over again.
     
  7. Albion

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    There are many Bible proofs pointing to the divine nature of Jesus. This isn't one of them, for in this statement Jesus is saying that he and the Father are perfectly aligned, of one accord, etc., not that he, Jesus, literally WAS God the Father. That idea, if accepted, would be considered contrary to Scripture and the Creeds.
     
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  8. Ivan Hlavanda

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    You are mixing two things, Jesus is God and Jesus is Father. Jesus is not the Father but He is God and John 10:30 is the perfect example of it. You said it yourself. Jesus and and Father are pefectly alligned, therefore Jesus is God. Nowhere do I say Jesus is the Father that would be heresy.
     
  9. adderbolt

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    Jesus Christ is fully God; fully man.
     
  10. Andrewn

    Andrewn Well-Known Member CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    This is a very interesting point but I think the Bible teaches that the Son is God with form based on the following verses:

    Php 2:6 Who [the Son], though existing in the form [Gr morphe] of God,
    did not consider being equal to God a thing to be grasped.

    Col 1:13 He [the Son] is the image [Gr eikon] of the invisible God,
    the firstborn of all creation.

    Heb 1:3 He [the Son] is the radiance of His glory and the imprint [Gr Charakter] of His being, upholding all things by His powerful word.When He had made purification for our sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

    The Son of God also took form and appeared to many according to the OT.

    Christophany - Wikipedia
     
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  11. Philip_B

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    Jesus is God in flesh.
     
  12. Albion

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    In order to discuss this on this forum, it's necessary to get straight that Jesus is God and Jesus is NOT the Father.

    So which of those two (is the Father, is not the Father) will it be?

    See post #8 where you did say it.

    Was that not what you meant to say?
     
  13. Andrewn

    Andrewn Well-Known Member CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    Did the Son of God humble himself from eternity or at His incarnation?
     
  14. Yekcidmij

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    Yes.

    Jesus is also fully man. I don't think it's correct to phrase it that he is God in the form of a man. He is fully God, and fully man. Is Jesus God? Yes. Is Jesus a man? Yes.

    Trinitarianism and the hypostatic union. Yes.
     
  15. dóxatotheó

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    in eternity, if it was not an eternal economical subordination than the Father and Son would have no differences at all
     
  16. dóxatotheó

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    I want you to know what forms mean to every single person who studies the trinity metapysics when we say God doesnt take forms it means he doesnt appear as that so that means Jesus didnt appear as a man but was actually fully man and every verse you presented agrees with me and Jesus never appeared as such but actually was truly the logos God sent are you isninuating that Jesus is literally an image of God and actually transformed to a human outside eternity?
     
  17. Yekcidmij

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    In my experience, in Trinitarian discussion "economic" refers to the activity of God, so I will assume that's what you mean here. I'm not sure why it follows that if there weren't economic subordination then there would be no differences. Why couldn't we still be talking about two persons? Or, why can't economic equivalence entail different persons? It seems you're conflating "economic" (what God does or how God acts) with "ontologic" (who God is).
     
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  18. dóxatotheó

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    if there is no economical subordination than there wont be a paternal or filiate relationship with the Father and Son and then there would be a discussion on the very diety of Christ because John 17:3-5 would be a very hard verse to refute if there isnt an economical subordination there would be a debate on ontologic subordination which would be a contradiction to Deuteronomy 6:4, a economical subordination very much equivocates to the differences in persons because they keep the trinity one and non-contradictory to the bible and logic itself. Also the reason i said no differences because there wouldnt be a monarchy with the father and there wouldnt be a logical explanation for Jesus as Gods Son and the Father being his God and still be God without losing the whole foundation of the trinity and i think even the simple minded would know that
     
  19. Yekcidmij

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    Well, even the simple minded know better than to write in one, gigantic, paragraph-long, run-on sentence.

    You said that if there were no eternal, economic subordination then there would be no differences at all. I was simply asking why that's the case and you just repeated your assertion. Why would this eliminate the possibility that we're still talking about different persons? The validity of your assertion just isn't clear to me. I must be just below the simple minded (minus the run-on sentence parts of this frame of mind).

    Why? Maybe you could define what you mean by "economic subordination" at this point? It looks like you're conflating economic with ontological.
     
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  20. 2BeholdHisGlory

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    Mark 16:12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

    There he appeared in another form
     
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