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Is Jesus God ?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Han Solo 111, May 21, 2021.

  1. 2BeholdHisGlory

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    At the same time he was begotten he was made, so begotten not made thing might not take into an account both can apply to the same time

    Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

    P.S let me add that I know the word there could be made or become just as the word made flesh uses the same word.
     
  2. 2BeholdHisGlory

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    Although, in respects to being made/becoming an high priest (along with being begotten from the dead there) there is another word "to be made like" unto in respects to them which pertains to being a more mercifucl and faithful high priest in that heavenly office.

    Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
     
  3. Swan7

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    Yes, Jesus Christ absolutely is God. The scriptures are His witness. :yellowheart:
     
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  4. 2BeholdHisGlory

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    Following the same though up to Melchisedec, it allows for the wording, theres like 3 or 4 different words between them used in various ways in respects to being made whether in the days of his flesh or afterward

    Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

    Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

    Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

    Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
     
  5. 2BeholdHisGlory

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    These are pretty cool how they line up and show Christ begotten from the dead in them.

    This is Jesus speaking to the LORD here

    Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree:
    the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
    (Which actually had to be fulfilled see Acts 13:33)

    The second psalm is mentioned here

    Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children,
    ** in that ** he hath raised up Jesus again;
    as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son,
    ** this day ** have I begotten thee.


    Christ who was begotten from the dead, confirmed in the following verse also

    Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up **from** the dead,
    now no more to return to corruption
    , he said on this wise,
    I will give you the sure mercies of David.

    Firstborn from the dead again

    Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church:
    who is the beginning, the firstborn **from** the dead;

    that in all things he might have the preeminence.

    The first begotten of the dead again

    Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness,
    and the first begotten **of the dead**,
    and the prince of the kings of the earth.
    Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

    So again, taking it from here, Jesus speaking to the LORD here

    Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me,
    Thou art my Son; **this day** have I begotten thee.

    (which again, had to be fullfilled as is shown in Acts 13:33)

    And declared to be the Son of God with power by the same (the resurrection itself)

    Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power,
    according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection **from** the dead

    Jesus is made a high priest on the same day he is begotten as it says,

    Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest;
    but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, **to day** have I begotten thee.


    Which day did not pertain to his days upon earth because it says

    For if he were on earth he should not be a priest (Hebrews 8:4)
    again, speaking of when Jesus was raised up again from the dead.

    Next verse

    Heb 5:6 As he saith also in another place,
    Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.


    Next verse returns to speaking to the days of his flesh

    Heb 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up
    prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto
    him
    that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared

    The people ask

    John 12:34 We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever:
    and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?


    And again, if he were on earth he should not be a priest (Hebrews 8:4)

    As it pertains to his birthplace in this world it says,

    Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; (Mic 5:2, Mat 2:1-6)
    of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

    In respects to those who were priests

    Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath;
    but this with an oath by him that said unto him,
    The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec)


    Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum:
    We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;


    Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

    Heb 1:11 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

    He 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,
    whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;


    Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,
    and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins,
    sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;


    Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

    Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

    Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

    Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith,
    Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

    Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, (Psalm 45:6-7)
    Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

    Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God,
    hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
     
  6. klutedavid

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    Regardless of anyone's opinion on the Deity of the Christ. The Universe and everything in the Universe, was created specifically for Jesus Christ, as the text states below.

    Colossians 1:16
    For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things have been created through Him and for Him.

    Everything we know about God, is in reality, everything we know about Jesus.

    "All things have been created through Him and for Him"

    We exist solely for Him (Jesus Christ).

    Therefore, we will honor Jesus in exactly the same way that we honor the Father.

    John 5:23
    So that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

    There is no other position to hold. A forced acceptance of the Divinity of the Christ.

    The Creator was the Christ.
     
  7. Andrewn

    Andrewn Well-Known Member CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    I'm talking about the pre-incarnate Christ, a different situation, who appeared to several people in the OT.

    Christophany - Wikipedia

    We're used to using titles like "the Word" and "the Son" but there are also other descriptions, which show that the pre-incarnate Son of God had form or assumed form:

    Php 2:6 Who [the Son], though existing in the form [Gr morphe] of God,
    did not consider being equal to God a thing to be grasped.

    Col 1:13 He [the Son] is the image [Gr eikon] of the invisible God,
    the firstborn of all creation.

    Heb 1:3 He [the Son] is the radiance [Gr apaugasma] of His glory and the imprint [Gr charakter] of His being, upholding all things by His powerful word.When He had made purification for our sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
     
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  8. Philip_B

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    Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
     
  9. dóxatotheó

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    do you understand these verses i already explained what these mean you are twisting the meaning of these verses form in this doesnt mean he appeared in human form this was in revelance taking in human nature another verse u put that verse is in regards to him being the word of God begetted image before eternity and the last one is him being the exact radiance of him because he has a divine nature quite self explanatory
     
  10. dóxatotheó

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    appearing is different from taking forms you know that right taking forms is changing into that
     
  11. 2BeholdHisGlory

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    Who cares what he is, is this about him or the topic, why does this happen on every Jesus oneness, equal begotten thread?
     
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  12. renniks

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    Yes.
     
  13. klutedavid

    klutedavid Well-Known Member

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    Are you a JW or a Christadelphian?
     
  14. 2BeholdHisGlory

    2BeholdHisGlory Still on vacation!

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    I eat apples with the skin on
     
  15. Philip_B

    Philip_B grace upon grace Supporter

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    Why would you care. He has told you he is a Christian.
     
  16. dóxatotheó

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    according to rules far from it
     
  17. dóxatotheó

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    correction is why i didnt state a thing but if he rejects Jesus divinity and the trinity im pretty sure they supposed to put there faith right?
     
  18. klutedavid

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    I only eat bananas and so should you.
     
  19. Philip_B

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    Philippians 2:1-11
    Imitating Christ’s Humility
    If then there is any encouragement in Christ, any consolation from love, any sharing in the Spirit, any compassion and sympathy, make my joy complete: be of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind. Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility regard others as better than yourselves. Let each of you look not to your own interests, but to the interests of others. Let the same mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus,
    who, though he was in the form of God,
    did not regard equality with God
    as something to be exploited,
    but emptied himself,
    taking the form of a slave,
    being born in human likeness.
    And being found in human form,
    he humbled himself
    and became obedient to the point of death—
    even death on a cross.

    Therefore God also highly exalted him
    and gave him the name
    that is above every name,
    so that at the name of Jesus
    every knee should bend,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue should confess
    that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.​
     
  20. 2BeholdHisGlory

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    I have been doing my homework on everything we can charge people with

    Pick your isms and wear them proudly (or not)


    triumphalism belief in the superiority of one particular religious creed
    diphysitism belief in the dual nature of Christ
    antilapsarianism denial of doctrine of the fall of humanity
    illuminism belief in an inward spiritual light
    deism belief in God but rejection of religion
    catabaptism belief in the wrongness of infant baptism
    antipedobaptism denial of validity of infant baptism
    autotheism belief that one is God incarnate or that one is Christ
    trialism doctrine that humans have three separate essences (body, soul, spirit)
    tritheism belief that the members of the Trinity are separate gods
    tutiorism doctrine that one should take the safer moral course
    tolerationism doctrine of toleration of religious differences
    terminism doctrine that there is a time limit for repentance
    synergism belief that human will and divine spirit cooperate in salvation
    subjectivism doctrine that all knowledge is subjective
    stercoranism belief that the consecrated Eucharist is digested and evacuated
     
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