is it wrong

[simplynix]

Lust is a loaded issue. While one should try to control their desires, supressing the labido can be psychologically harmful and even lead to a pathological sex life when married. (cough) Though I'm sure that's never happened to anyone.

 

[Rat_bytes]

Look, when I see a hot woman on the street, I'm not going to think "now, if I look at this woman in a lustful way, that is a sin", because that would be weird and unnatural to think something as stupid as that. I'm going to think "Wow, she's a bit of all right!" and if I'm with a friend we'll laugh about it.
Once again, it's just religion's stupid hang up about sex that creates the whole "Lust is a sin" thing.

 

[xr022kbKr02h]

in my point of view...lust and desire is the same thing...

lust means you are thinking and going after a girl's body
desire of a girls body means that you are thinking and going after a girl's body

any difference?

 

[Kris_J]

There is nothing wrong with sexual desire.

Lust is simply sexual desire that is irresponsible & wanton, hence known as wrong.

 

[simplynix]

in my point of view...lust and desire is the same thing...

lust means you are thinking and going after a girl's body
desire of a girls body means that you are thinking and going after a girl's body

any difference?

There's quote a bit of difference.

desire:lust
rest:sloth
confidenceride
admiration:envy

There is a difference in a natural, healthy reaction and a pathological reaction.

 

[morningstar2651]

There's quote a bit of difference.

desire:lust
rest:sloth
confidenceride
admiration:envy

There is a difference in a natural, healthy reaction and a pathological reaction.

moderation:excess

 

[Maynard Keenan]

simplynix, morningstar, you guys have hit is straight on the head. Desire CAN'T be a sin because as someone a little higher up the thread said, desire is produced by your body's natural responces. Stimulus - response. If you then stare at said person you are desiring, and start figuring out how you're going to get her in bed with you, then it starts becoming lust.

 

[MoonlessNight]

First of all, respect is earned. No one "deserves" respect just because.

Second, lust is not disrespectful unless it is acted upon without consent.

There are really two definitions of respect that get used quite often. One is an admiration of a person for the works that they have done, or attributes that they possess. So in this definition a respected person is held in high esteem. This type of respect must be earned, it is true.

But there is another definition of respect. In this definition respecting someone means admitting that they have value. Since being human being in of itself is something that gives a person value, everyone has value and so everyone is owed this second defiinition of respect. I tend to use courtesy to describe this second use, but that is not the best word for it since it describes more of the effect of the thing, rather than the thing itself (valuing the person for being a person). In any case, courtesy is owed to everyone. If lust denies you from giving this courtesy to others, there is a problem with lust.

 

[MoonlessNight]

in my point of view...lust and desire is the same thing...

lust means you are thinking and going after a girl's body
desire of a girls body means that you are thinking and going after a girl's body

any difference?

Lust is not a physical desire. Lust is the decision to seek out physical desires in an immoderate amount. In extreme cases of lust, the person would want physical pleasure more than anything else. But no matter the intensity of the physical desire or pleasure, that is not lust.

 

[xr022kbKr02h]

simplynix, morningstar, you guys have hit is straight on the head. Desire CAN'T be a sin because as someone a little higher up the thread said, desire is produced by your body's natural responces. Stimulus - response. If you then stare at said person you are desiring, and start figuring out how you're going to get her in bed with you, then it starts becoming lust.

if lust means figuring out how to get the other party to go to bed wif you...then wat about thinking of how it would feel to have her in bed with you? is that desire?

 

[MoonlessNight]

if lust means figuring out how to get the other party to go to bed wif you...then wat about thinking of how it would feel to have her in bed with you? is that desire?

It depends on the details of the thought (that is whether it is a passing thing or whether it is more along the lines of a fantasy), but such a thing certainly could be lust. Again, this is not desire. Thoughts are internal actions, and many thoughts are intentionally brought about. In particular, if a thought is focused on, that is intentional. So if I decide to focus on a thought like this, it is the result of desire and not the desire itself.

 

[Rat_bytes]

I hate the way people say that some thoughts are evil. Your head is your own personal space and you are free to think whatever the hell you want to think. It's actions that are evil, not thoughts. Thoughts can be unhealthy and self-destroying and immoral, but they cannot be good or evil.

Plus I hate the word "Sin" and all of it's connotations. It suggests close-mindedness and arrogance.

 

[amonk]

There's quote a bit of difference.

desire:lust
rest:sloth
confidenceride
admiration:envy

There is a difference in a natural, healthy reaction and a pathological reaction.

Well done

 

[amonk]

ok ,
in my un-biased view , lust and desire are same ,they only substitute eachother in usage .

Lust is ones personal emotion toward another life .
Desire is ones personal emotion toward anything existent .

 

[amonk]

Evolved thought gives us ideas ,
for God is the idea of all ideas , for every idea requires imagination ,
the closer our imagination is to the truth is when we are closer to God .

 

[MoonlessNight]

I hate the way people say that some thoughts are evil. Your head is your own personal space and you are free to think whatever the hell you want to think. It's actions that are evil, not thoughts. Thoughts can be unhealthy and self-destroying and immoral, but they cannot be good or evil.

Plus I hate the word "Sin" and all of it's connotations. It suggests close-mindedness and arrogance.

What is evil if not immorality?

 

[morningstar2651]

What is evil if not immorality?

But if my morals are different than yours, does that make both of us evil for being immoral in the other's eyes?

 

[MoonlessNight]

But if my morals are different than yours, does that make both of us evil for being immoral in the other's eyes?

Perhaps, but I don't see why that is an argument against equating immorality with evil. Perhaps such a system would be abuse (and it certainly has been abused) because there are many definitions of morality. But physics has been abused in the construction of the nuclear bomb, does that mean that we should doubt the veracity of physics? I'd much rather have some reasons why the definition of evil does not fit in with the definition of immorality than have some negative consequences of this viewpoint pointed out. Consequences prove nothing; I'm concerned with the statement itself.

 

[morningstar2651]

If I believe that intolerance is immoral, does that alone make it evil?
If I believe that intolerance is moral, does that make it good?

Everyone has their own morals, even evil people.

Real life example: (hopefully this thread doesn't derail to abortion)
I am morally opposed to abortion. I consider it murder which is immoral in my eyes.
But...
I am legally for abortion. If it were to be made illegal, would that stop a desperate woman with a coat hanger from endangering her own life from fear of the law? Though it would be moral to make it illegal, it could take 2 lives instead of 1. Would that not be evil yet moral?

 

[Kris_J]

oops -wrong thread.