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Is it wrong to disown your family?

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....The Holy Spirit will not contradict His Word or lead His people in unloving, unChristlike ways. His voice can be discerned from the Enemy's voice..

This is what scares me, that is, our ability to tell the difference between the Holy Spirit and the Enemy's voice.

The Enemy has had millennia worth of practice lying and deceiving mankind, and when he decides to lie or whisper in our ears, it isn't always going to be easy to identify. It is my belief that there are plenty of Christians out there who are faithful and sincere in their beliefs but that the Enemy has manipulated into doing evil and immoral actions.

I will not talk about a specific instance but instead I will talk about a trend I've noticed throughout my life, when Christians are "angry" about an issue.

I cringe whenever I see Christians frothing at the mouth angry over an issue, any issue. The bible verses come out (usually Old Testament cherry picking) and then the anger builds and builds... It is these instances where I think the Enemy is adept at manipulating Christians. I often feel that the best lies are the ones that are 95% true. All it takes is just a little twist, a little spin, a little misdirection and you can turn good intent into an evil action.

I guess I'm not articulating my argument well.

I feel that truth is truth. 2 + 2 = 4, the sun rises in the East and sets in the West because the Earth is rotating around the sun... In terms of morality and ethics, I am more comfortable with those who understand why they believe what they believe and why/how their morals and ethics have come to be. These people are near impossible to "trick" into doing evil because evil actions will be counter to their system.

*sigh*

I understand your argument, your argument is basically that God is never going to tell a Christian to do something that is evil. Fine, I can 100% agree with that. However, Christians are human, humans are not perfect. Humans are known to be wrong on occasion and this includes being wrong about what they think God wants them to do. And when someone whose belief system entails being infallible, then that is a belief system that can enable all sorts of atrocities. If I "believe" God told me to do something, then that is all that matters to me. The only counter to this argument is the No True Scotsman Fallacy...

And now we are in a circle of the snake eating its tail.
 
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This is what scares me, that is, our ability to tell the difference between the Holy Spirit and the Enemy's voice.

The Enemy has had millennia worth of practice lying and deceiving mankind, and when he decides to lie or whisper in our ears, it isn't always going to be easy to identify. It is my belief that there are plenty of Christians out there who are faithful and sincere in their beliefs but that the Enemy has manipulated into doing evil and immoral actions.

I will not talk about a specific instance but instead I will talk about a trend I've noticed throughout my life, when Christians are "angry" about an issue.

I cringe whenever I see Christians frothing at the mouth angry over an issue, any issue. The bible verses come out (usually Old Testament cherry picking) and then the anger builds and builds... It is these instances where I think the Enemy is adept at manipulating Christians. I often feel that the best lies are the ones that are 95% true. All it takes is just a little twist, a little spin, a little misdirection and you can turn good intent into an evil action.

I guess I'm not articulating my argument well.

I feel that truth is truth. 2 + 2 = 4, the sun rises in the East and sets in the West because the Earth is rotating around the sun... In terms of morality and ethics, I am more comfortable with those who understand why they believe what they believe and why/how their morals and ethics have come to be. These people are near impossible to "trick" into doing evil because evil actions will be counter to their system.

*sigh*

I understand your argument, your argument is basically that God is never going to tell a Christian to do something that is evil. Fine, I can 100% agree with that. However, Christians are human, humans are not perfect. Humans are known to be wrong on occasion and this includes being wrong about what they think God wants them to do. And when someone whose belief system entails being infallible, then that is a belief system that can enable all sorts of atrocities. If I "believe" God told me to do something, then that is all that matters to me. The only counter to this argument is the No True Scotsman Fallacy...

And now we are in a circle of the snake eating its tail.

Actually, no, we are not "in a circle of the snake eating its tail". If anything, we need to examine ourselves to see if we have the Holy Spirit and are confident in the Holy Spirit's voice.

If we don't and are not, then there is a much more serious problem we have to deal with than finding the most excellent "moral and ethical" system out there to follow. I would be very concerned if I had no confidence in the Holy Spirit's voice, and especially if I have never "heard" him speak to my heart and lead me.

1Cor 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Have a great day!
 
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Actually, no, we are not "in a circle of the snake eating its tail". If anything, we need to examine ourselves to see if we have the Holy Spirit and are confident in the Holy Spirit's voice.

I am sure that Christians that have bombed abortion clinics were 100% sure the Holy Spirit told them to do it and were 100% confident it was the voice of the Holy Spirit and that they were doing God's will...

That is my problem with what you are saying. If you believe the Holy Spirit told you to do something, then that is it. Period. End of discussion. There is no recourse, no argument, nothing anyone can do to dissuade you or convince you not to take that action.

Your response is "Well, the Holy Spirit will never tell me to do something wrong..." and that proves my point. By default, whatever the Holy Spirit tells you to do is never wrong. Not to mention the very real possibility that as a human being you can misunderstand or misinterpret what you are being told...

Your response is basically, "Well, I am sincere in my faith and committed to god so that will never happen...."

And I would point out that is EXACTLY what all Christians say and believe. You ask the Christians that bomb abortion clinics and they will tell you the same thing. Ask Christians that string up some gay guy and kill him and they will say the same thing. etc etc. And thus, back to the No True Scotsman Fallacy argument... and the circle goes round and round...
 
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I am sure that Christians that have bombed abortion clinics were 100% sure the Holy Spirit told them to do it and were 100% confident it was the voice of the Holy Spirit and that they were doing God's will...

How could you possibly be sure of that?

That is my problem with what you are saying. If you believe the Holy Spirit told you to do something, then that is it. Period. End of discussion. There is no recourse, no argument, nothing anyone can do to dissuade you or convince you not to take that action.

Not so. Scripture is the final word.
 
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I am sure that Christians that have bombed abortion clinics were 100% sure the Holy Spirit told them to do it and were 100% confident it was the voice of the Holy Spirit and that they were doing God's will...

That is my problem with what you are saying. If you believe the Holy Spirit told you to do something, then that is it. Period. End of discussion. There is no recourse, no argument, nothing anyone can do to dissuade you or convince you not to take that action.

Your response is "Well, the Holy Spirit will never tell me to do something wrong..." and that proves my point. By default, whatever the Holy Spirit tells you to do is never wrong. Not to mention the very real possibility that as a human being you can misunderstand or misinterpret what you are being told...

Your response is basically, "Well, I am sincere in my faith and committed to god so that will never happen...."

And I would point out that is EXACTLY what all Christians say and believe. You ask the Christians that bomb abortion clinics and they will tell you the same thing. Ask Christians that string up some gay guy and kill him and they will say the same thing. etc etc. And thus, back to the No True Scotsman Fallacy argument... and the circle goes round and round...

Jesus Christ won't lead you to hurt people.

I have no problem figuring out that bombing people is not of Christ.

Next?
 
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The closer you draw to Christ, the easier it is. I only see or talk to my family on special occasions, none of them being Christian, I have no bond with them as "family" like what I felt as younger. I have a new everlasting family, those who are born of Jesus :) I like hanging with them

Aren't you the one that disowned your niece or someone for being an active lesbian?

That's a question not an accusation. I feel the need to point that out as experience on the internet has taught me that some grown Americans raised speaking and writing in the English language have yet to understand what a question mark signifies.
 
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In my opinion, disowning a family member says alot about the strength and integrity of your honor and your love.


I really don't think of it in terms of right or wrong on this issue, I think of it more as a reflection of your character and values.

One of my friend's was disowned by her family because she married a Mexican. Up until that point, they loved her, were proud of her, she graduated college, got her Masters in Business, etc and then she "wasted it" by marrying a Mexican (according to her parents). They cut her off like a light switch. Then, they cut off her sister because her sister refused to disown her and had the audacity to attend the wedding and side with her...

Is it right that they disowned her and her sister?

To me, it's not right or wrong, just a reflection of the character and values of those doing the disowning. If they are strong of character then it will take a serious transgression to warrant "disowning". If they have little to no character or they value the wrong things, then it won't take much to warrant "disowning".

Liked this.

But I do see it in terms of right and wrong. Look... not all parenting is equal just like not all boxing coaching is equal. And under my "life coaching" to any child I have I will--I hope--adequately instill the value of deep family loyalty. Deeper than anything I was raised with. Fortunately for me, may immediate and extend family are far from the worst. But on critique, comparing and contrasting to the best of families, then mine are a few pegs down. Many actually.

I wish my immediate and extended families were like that family in the movie My Big Fat Greek Wedding. And the young Mexican lady that does my hair. Every birth of a child she has had thus far her mother has traveled from Mexico for the grand event. In fact, she made a statement recently that blew my mind. She said, "Yeah, but my mother only stayed for a month," on this last birth. I was thinking to myself, "Only!" LOL. Cool. Very cool.

I've seen strong families and I've seen very weak families that are extremely internally divided. I thank my lucky stars my immediate and extended family (on both sides of my family) are not as weak and divided as some families I know. It is very tragic to see. Nonetheless, none of my family is comparable to one of the non-biological black families I grew up knowing in which case this particular family is always gather together for something. Not that they have not been rocked by some feuds and various things (e.g. substance addictions, prisons etc.) but they are resilient as an extended family. When one of them inquired about my own extended family, and if we gather frequently, she thought is tragic ("a shame") that we so rarely do.

To be honest I don't like doing family gatherings for the most part--on either side of the family. I don't care all that much about immediate family gatherings either. But I think some things are influenced if not passed down from one's own family culture. So, I'm saying, my siblings are not like "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" because none of us came up in a family culture like that. They are more Germanic and Anglo-Saxon distant. The Anglo-Saxon part coming more from our Black-American side of the family. But not like that frequently gather Black-American family I was speaking about: with music blasting in the half the neighborhood can hear and the scent of grilling BBQ waffing through the air. My brother has his own marital sins (supposedly domestic violence), so, I find it a bit rich he holds our deceased black grandfather in such contempt (once upon a time he did not--this is rather recently he's come to this new enlightenment). Both him and his wife have their share of marital sins. So, I'm thinking, worry about your backyard first. I know my old man has a lot of anger--a lot justified--towards his now deceased old man. But one good thing about gramps was he was a happy drunk and not a mean drunk. He used to have me laughing when I was a kid and he'd be drunk. Nonetheless, he was no model husband or father.

Let me say... when I was shot and recovering from bullet wounds it was my aunts that took me in and took care of me. Two of my black aunts and one of my white aunts. My white aunt is lesbian and she drove me all around to my appointments and even kept an appointment calendar for me when I was literally too weak and in pain to keep up with all that stuff. She bought me food and along with my two black aunts treated me very aunt-like, Christ-like.

Some people speak of disowning family because they have personally went through sheer hell in their own families. A hell I'm fortunate I've never gone through. On the other hand there are people that speak of disowning their family because they have never even glimpsed upon what hell looks like. They think a swat on the butt from the hand of a parent is "hell." They don't have a clue what hell is. I know a cat who was knocked out cold by his own father when his pops grabbed a bat and cracked him over the head with it. Another guy who has 300 pound nephew (built more like a NBA Shaq) that broke his leg when in a fight with each other he fell on it. And that's not a 10th of what he's gone through in his family.
 
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I know my father hates Rocky movies due to the Great White Hope theme.

But I have to say... I really dig the Rocky flicks :D. Especially some of lessons or morals they often try to impart.

The end of this trailer--the mirror scene--really resonates with me.

I think if I have kids one day, this will be a lesson I'd want to give them, using a mirror.

Some can be destroyed walking through the fires of hell. In this life. But others can emerge from its quickening flames stronger than ever, able to carry greater weight on their shoulders. Some become wiser, better coaches and teachers, more empathetic if they've traveled down long roads of mistakes.


Here is a hard truth in life. You can't really know what a punch is like reading it on paper in a book. You can only discover its dreaded majesty, its terrify life altering material, having actually experienced its shots. Until then you fear to fail... because you don't know what being knocked down is like.
 
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Jesus Christ won't lead you to hurt people.

I have no problem figuring out that bombing people is not of Christ.

Next?

So can you be a Christian and serve in the military?
How about being a Christian and being a police officer? Both occupations entail hurting or possibly killing people...

Just saying...

If you believe in what you are doing and you believe you are righteous, then you can justify pretty much any act if the principle driver of your belief system is an internal voice that you believe comes from God...
 
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These are about family and breaking away and even disowning.





There are one or two curse words used in video below. It's a news video.






The title of the youtube video below touches on *disowning* by specifically using that word. But I can’t post the video because too much profanity and some vulgarity is used in conjunction with strong tone. In the square brackets I deleted the derogatory curse word aimed at black people. The word was not in brackets either. Used asterisk marks instead.

Karen Gravano: Mafia Called Me [deleted word] Lover for Having Mixed Baby
 
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And sometimes it's wiser just to avoid members of your biological family or those married into your biological family. As case in point when you break from the family tradition of crime and become a loving husband of your wife.


From the book The Milwaukee Mafia by Gavin Schmitt.

p. 120
Whereas other branches of the criminal syndicate, such as New York, were purely Italian with assistance from Jewish gangs, in Milwaukee many Italians (mobsters and civilians alike) married their Polish and German neighbors and their half-blood children were raised in the Mafia tradition. This is most noticeable with Carlo DiMaggio, the chief suspect in the murder of Gaetano Canizzo, who married Sarah Kretlow, daughter of German-American Edward Kretlow. Two of their children, Jerome and Sam, went on to join the Syndicate.

p. 121-122
At some point, Frank Aiello met and fell for Cora V. Konieczny, the daughter of Walenty and Stanislawa Rafferman Koienczny.

Frank and Cora were married in roughly 1928 and moved into the Konieczny home at 2467 South 18th Street. Their wedding was extravagant, a celebration for the entire Italian colony. Being the eldest grandson of Vito Guardalabene meant a certain level of prestige, and anyone who was anyone attended.

Anthony's older brother Nicolo was also there and he thought Frank was "wonderful" and a "very fine boy," who--unlike his brothers--was "absolutely harmless."

Cora would later say that her husband was always happy. He did not stay out nights, and she would often say to him, "I don't know what I married--a man or a washerwoman. Other men go shooting or bowling, but you are always with me."

The one person they would not allow in their home was Josephine's husband, Angelo LaMantia, because LaMantia treated Cora like "a dog in the streets" or "a criminal" because she was Polish. She said that when she and Frank would visit Frank's parents on Lyon Street, they would not stay long because LaMantia was living there and Frank did not like how LaMantia looked at Cora.



For background context on Angelo LaMantia:


http://mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Angelo_LaMantia

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Angelo LaMantia (born april 19, 1903?1904?- January 1985?) alias Joseph Rizzo, Angelo La Matia, Angelo Bandiro, Thom Ramon and Joe Martino was an Italian-American mobster and member of the Milwaukee crime family who was a known hitman during the 1920s and 30s.

LaMantia was born in Palermo, Sicily and was described in police reports as 5ft. 8 inches tall, 165 lbs. with Wavy black hair, medium dark complexion and brown eyes. During Prohibition, LaMantia was a known bootlegger who ran with other Sicilian mobsters and hijackers. LaMantia was also reportedly known to operate in Youngstown, Ohio, New Orleans and Chicago.

During prohibition, LaMantia allied himself with Chicago Outfit rival Joe Aiello. LaMantia would later marry Frank Aiello, Jr. of Milwaukee (Joe's newphew) sister and would later be charged with his murder. In Chicago, police uncovered an assassination plot against the Capone gang that had been orchestrated by the opposing Aiello faction. Aiello had been aspiring to the Unione Siciliane throne and wanted to take over the Chicago underworld. Aiello tried anything that would work in his favor. He spread money around to anyone who was willing to kill members of the rival Capone gang. LaMantia and four others were once arrested with weapons and a cache of dynamite in their possession.
 
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So can you be a Christian and serve in the military?
How about being a Christian and being a police officer? Both occupations entail hurting or possibly killing people...

Just saying...

If you believe in what you are doing and you believe you are righteous, then you can justify pretty much any act if the principle driver of your belief system is an internal voice that you believe comes from God...

I can only answer for myself as I have to stand before the Lord on my own. My answers have to come from Him and not man and likewise with you. No pastor or pope will be standing with me before the Lord so I can't blame anything on them.

But, you have jumped from bombing abortion clinics to a police officer. As far as this world is concerned one is illegal and murder while the other is actually sanctioned by the Lord. Romans 13, secular powers put in place by God.

But, even in the case of a police officer, I can't consult a book-religion, I have to hear from the Spirit of God. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. The Lord has not led me to become a police officer and I was already in the Navy when I got saved.

I do have 3 Jewish-Christian friends who wanted to go back to Israel and live but they knew they would have to join the army as it is required of every citizen. So, they became cooks.

Your taxes support the military and all manner of evil things. Did you know that?

You seem confused.

Do you believe the Lord leads His sheep individually or not?
 
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dgiharris,

We should get back on topic. Do you believe that when one is thinking of "disowning their family", they should inquire of the Lord, first or do you think the person should just consult men and forget about what the Lord's position on it is for that individual, personally? Whose counsel is more reliable?
 
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I guess this is hard for people when they come from tight knit families involving some sort of crime and trauma bonding. I came from more of a neglectful/abandonment theme. I have had to let go my bio kids because they have not been raised to fear God (my own fault which I take full responsibility for), so I do understand as only a mother can how it feels to 'lose' children, even though I have not had to 'disown' them.

I don't think God calls us to disown people, though it may feel like that in dysfunctional families. They may make your leaving so difficult that you practically have to disown them. But it need not be disowning in the full sense. You might just need to cleave yourself off from them so that you can love and serve God, and make your own family. Indeed to join your wife, husbands are commanded clearly to leave their mother and father and cling to their wife.

Overall, I find Jesus' words about this to be the most comforting and I love Him for his understanding of this delicate concept: "My family, my brother and sister and mother, are those who do the will of the Father."

Also,
Christ Brings Division
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.


Powerful stuff.
 
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I guess this is hard for people when they come from tight knit families involving some sort of crime and trauma bonding. I came from more of a neglectful/abandonment theme. I have had to let go my bio kids because they have not been raised to fear God (my own fault which I take full responsibility for), so I do understand as only a mother can how it feels to 'lose' children, even though I have not had to 'disown' them.

I don't think God calls us to disown people, though it may feel like that in dysfunctional families. They may make your leaving so difficult that you practically have to disown them. But it need not be disowning in the full sense. You might just need to cleave yourself off from them so that you can love and serve God, and make your own family. Indeed to join your wife, husbands are commanded clearly to leave their mother and father and cling to their wife.

Overall, I find Jesus' words about this to be the most comforting and I love Him for his understanding of this delicate concept: "My family, my brother and sister and mother, are those who do the will of the Father."

Also,
Christ Brings Division
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.


Powerful stuff.

Yes, His words are powerful and comforting. I was raised Roman Catholic and the opposite happened. When I became a Christian and the Holy Spirit led me to leave the Catholic Church, my folks disowned me for about 3 years. But today, out of 5 other siblings, I have the closest relationship with my folks. If at all possible, live at peace with all men is what the Scriptures instruct and I believe a Christian should not try to alienate people, but if they alienate you because of your love for Jesus, then there is nothing you can do except, bless and not curse and don't render evil for evil.

Christ is a reconciler and restorer of relationships and so are His people. Jesus did not alienate people, but some chose to alienate Him. Same with us when it comes to family. Now, if your family is destructive and abusive, then that is quite another story. I don't think anyone should put themselves around abusive people, especially if they have children.
 
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dgiharris,

We should get back on topic. Do you believe that when one is thinking of "disowning their family", they should inquire of the Lord, first...

To be honest, I do not know the bible's take on disowning a family member. In matters such as these, I kinda ask myself, "What would Jesus do?". And given that Jesus is all about love and forgiveness then I just could never disown a family member.

I have an uncle that has been in and out of prison for his entire life since 18 yrs old. He is now 52. He has stolen from me and lied to me but I will never "disown" him. He is my blood. Now, does this mean that I will let him live with me and borrow my car? No. But if he calls I will answer the phone. When he shows up at family events I will give him a hug and sincerely ask him how he is doing and hope he is doing well. The things he has done to me can never "trump" the fact that we share blood. I will forgive him and wish he improves his life...

Now, lets say for the sake of argument I have a family member prone to violence and actively hurting other family members. I will act to protect my family members first, then to love him second. If in order to do the first I have to put distance between my family members and him I will do so, but I would still not "disown" him. I will try to get him help and if that help means that prison is the best thing for him then so be it, but again, I'm not disowning him...

...Do you believe that when one is thinking of "disowning their family", they should inquire of the Lord, first or do you think the person should just consult men and forget about what the Lord's position on it is for that individual, personally? Whose counsel is more reliable?

This part of your question is sorta what I've been going round and round with you about... Truth be told, I am very scared to listen to the internal voice within me that I believe comes from the Holy Spirit. Not to say I don't listen to it, I do, but I'm always wary. Not because I don't trust god, moreso because I've studied psychology and I understand how fallible we human beings are and how easily it is for our subconscious to insert all types of things into our psyches.

To answer your question more directly, the surer I am that god is speaking to me, the more likely I am to follow that internal voice. However, I try to make sure my philosophy and system of ethics corresponds to what I sincerely believe what Jesus would do. Since Jesus is all about love and peace and forgiveness, that is what I try to aspire to. Though this is sometimes in conflict with extreme situations since real life isn't so black and white all the time but alas I digress...
 
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Yes, His words are powerful and comforting. I was raised Roman Catholic and the opposite happened. When I became a Christian and the Holy Spirit led me to leave the Catholic Church, my folks disowned me for about 3 years. But today, out of 5 other siblings, I have the closest relationship with my folks. If at all possible, live at peace with all men is what the Scriptures instruct and I believe a Christian should not try to alienate people, but if they alienate you because of your love for Jesus, then there is nothing you can do except, bless and not curse and don't render evil for evil.

Christ is a reconciler and restorer of relationships and so are His people. Jesus did not alienate people, but some chose to alienate Him. Same with us when it comes to family. Now, if your family is destructive and abusive, then that is quite another story. I don't think anyone should put themselves around abusive people, especially if they have children.

Still, if I am around my family and they do not fear nor love God, then that is going to affect me directly. And does. It means I cannot speak of God as much as I want to because I will basically be talking to myself or arguing with unbelievers, both of which are a waste of time. It means I cannot have the support of my Christian brethren, but instead have the negative influence of those who believe in and follow the world, which I pretty much detest. It means I cannot thrive in His Spirit and in His Word because I am distracted by those who do not really deserve my attention like God does.

So being around non-believers does make a real difference, and I have noticed that my blood kin tend to distance themselves from me which in effect takes care of the problem, because I just refuse to quit talking about God and giving attribution to Him for everything, which annoys them. I am sad to lose those relationships, but if my relationships do not edify my relationship with Him, then they are a waste of my time and energy, even if they are my own blood kin.
 
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Still, if I am around my family and they do not fear nor love God, then that is going to affect me directly. And does. It means I cannot speak of God as much as I want to because I will basically be talking to myself or arguing with unbelievers, both of which are a waste of time. It means I cannot have the support of my Christian brethren, but instead have the negative influence of those who believe in and follow the world, which I pretty much detest. It means I cannot thrive in His Spirit and in His Word because I am distracted by those who do not really deserve my attention like God does.

So being around non-believers does make a real difference, and I have noticed that my blood kin tend to distance themselves from me which in effect takes care of the problem, because I just refuse to quit talking about God and giving attribution to Him for everything, which annoys them. I am sad to lose those relationships, but if my relationships do not edify my relationship with Him, then they are a waste of my time and energy, even if they are my own blood kin.

It really is so important to hear the Lord's voice. I can't over state that enough. He will protect you when you are not suppose to do something, go someplace, change a job, etc. We don't have a static religion where we consult a book. We have the dynamic life of Christ living in us and He leads us by His Spirit. All Christians who are born-again and filled with the Spirit should understand that.
 
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Still, if I am around my family and they do not fear nor love God, then that is going to affect me directly. And does. It means I cannot speak of God as much as I want to because I will basically be talking to myself or arguing with unbelievers, both of which are a waste of time. It means I cannot have the support of my Christian brethren, but instead have the negative influence of those who believe in and follow the world, which I pretty much detest. It means I cannot thrive in His Spirit and in His Word because I am distracted by those who do not really deserve my attention like God does.

So being around non-believers does make a real difference, and I have noticed that my blood kin tend to distance themselves from me which in effect takes care of the problem, because I just refuse to quit talking about God and giving attribution to Him for everything, which annoys them. I am sad to lose those relationships, but if my relationships do not edify my relationship with Him, then they are a waste of my time and energy, even if they are my own blood kin.
There has to come a point where enough can be enough. There have been times within my family where I have pushed them away because I have enough drama in my life. I cannot disown my parents, because the Lord tells us to honor them, but I can just be there when they need me. My mother likes to manipulate me and my sister. My sister broke off with guidance and comfort from God and her husband. I just learned a great lesson with manipulation with my mother. I don't think she will be speaking to me any time soon.

God is more worried about your walk than relationships. Also, God will guide you. Just keep in prayer.
 
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