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Is it wrong that I keep Shabbat and do not "go to church" on Sunday?

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Then He would have said "for us" or "for Jews", yet He did NOT say that. In Greek it is for "Anthropos"...mankind. No mention of Jew. The question is WHO instituted the Sabbath? When? For who? How about marriage? Who instituted it? When? For who?
 
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Yes it is a gift to us from The Almighty. It was created FOR US, we were not created for it.
 
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Jonaitis said:
For some, the day of rest coincides with church service, as they see the Lord's day as Sunday.
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That's fine, but Sunday is NOT The Sabbath day...
 
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Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Lots of people disagree with Biblical things they don't like, does not make it true...
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Lots of people believe they know what is biblical, doesn't mean they are right.
 
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Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Yeshua said man was created first and then the Sabbath for him. Adam was created on the 6th day. You figure it out...
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The statement was poetic, not informational. Contrasting ideas.
The Sabbath was created for man, not man for the Sabbath.
The point is that man is more important than the Sabbath.
Not that the Sabbath was created for EVERY human.
 
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Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Me personally, no. No one alive today was. But I remember it...you seem to forget Genesis
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Nope, I don't forget.
Genesis says the day was set aside, yet no human observed the Sabbath until Ex.16.
Then you quote Jesus saying the "Sabbath was created for man...", while ignoring his actual point. Man is more important than the Sabbath. (speaking to Jews)
Then you sidestep Deut.5:15 which tells us who the Sabbath is for.
(the Israelites, who were slaves in Egypt)
The scriptures that tells us that the Sabbath was a sign between God and Israel is ignored.
The scripture that tells us the law is obsolete is ignored.
The scripture that tells us the law was our jailer until Christ came is ignored.
Shall I continue?
 
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Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Yes it is a gift to us from The Almighty. It was created FOR US, we were not created for it.
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What does that say about me?
There is no way to get around the divisiveness of this issue.
Don't you have a reason that doesn't condemn everyone else?
 
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Saint Steven said:
There is no proof that Adam kept the Sabbath.
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Other than the fact that Christ said the Sabbath was "made for mankind" Mark 2:27 and the fact that God points us to Genesis 2:1-3 for the Sabbath Commandment of Ex 20:11.

So if we could ignore the Bible in those place we could say there is no evidence of it

How "nice" that even the Sunday scholarship freely admits that the Sabbath commandment began in Eden.

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If you argue based on words alone either Moses or Jesus isn't telling the truth.
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Totally false - but you are welcome to hold that two-gospel conflicted-Bible idea if you so choose. you have free will.
 
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Saint Steven said:
Yup, you got it.
Those who quote Mk2:27 use it to claim that the Sabbath is for everyone.
That and the reference in Gen.2 about the "day" itself being Holy. (for everyone)
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And that group includes the pro-Sunday scholars. It is one of those rare cases where BOTH sides of the classic Sunday vs Bible-Sabbath debate agree on clear Bible texts so incredibly obvious that everyone admits it.

It just does not GET any easier than THAT!

MK 2:27 And he said unto them, The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND, and not mankind for the Sabbath:

Speaks of the making of "both" which happens in Gen 1:2-2:3

Irrefutable as Ex 20:11 confirms it in legal code.
 
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Saint Steven said:
Were there six days of work before the "Sabbath" for Adam? (nope)
How does that work? (no pun intended)
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"the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)" - Ex 20:10 ... not "of Adam"
Mankind is obligated to observe it because God made it Holy ... not because it is man's 7th day Ex 20:11

Bible details matter.
 
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