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you said "the Galatians were gentiles and former pagans. " -- and that is a fact. Paul is condemning their return to paganism, to observing pagan days... but they never were Jews - and were not "returning to obedience of what was called scripture" as if obeying scripture would be a bad thing.
Paul is not condemning scripture in Gal 4.
In fact when it comes to the Lev 23 list of annual holy days - in Rom 14 Paul defends them all and does not say that to observe one of them is to lose salvation.
Acts 15 is not about gentiles returning to paganism. Gal 4:8-10 is. Details.
Paul does not believe gentiles should be compelled to practice Jewish holy days, or other Jewish ceremonial customs, and that is what the Sabbath is.
Paul and all the Apostles were in fact Jewish. Is it your claim they cannot go to heaven?
That is not true at all. In Romans 14 Paul condemns anyone who would dare saying anything against the Bible approved holy days of Lev 23.
IN Gal 4:8-11 Paul condemns even one observance of a pagan holy day.
Details.
They were not saved because they were observant Jews. To say otherwise contradicts Paul's Gospel of grace.
Paul does not believe gentiles should be compelled to practice Jewish holy days, or other Jewish ceremonial customs, and that is what the Sabbath is.
You're mixing issues here. I never said anything about speaking against Jewish holy days, merely that they were not required for gentiles to practice.
Nothing is gained by a Christian practicing Jewish holy days in terms of ones standing before God, because our standing before God is based on the merits of Christ alone received through faith.
Let's hash this out...
That's interesting. Where did you find information that the Galatians were a mixed group? (Jews and Gentiles) My sources say they were gentiles.The Galatian church was mixed with Jews and Gentiles. Who was causing problems in the early Church? Was it pagan or Jews? Acts 15 and the historical record of Acts in how Jews treated Paul.
Speaking of treasure, you might appreciate this one.
Matthew 13:52
He said to them, “Therefore every teacher of the law who has become a disciple in the kingdom of heaven is like the owner of a house who brings out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old.”
Why not go all the way and just become Jewish? What does exactly, then, does Christ do for you?
You know what, I change my answer...yes I am a Jew:
Rom 2
26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
Thanks @BobRyan!
Besides, if Messiah is in us...as He is...well, what is He?
A Jew!...thank you.
The TCs are the old covenant. Five verses earlier, we read this.John 6:63
"The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life."
Don't you believe that the Ten Words are His words...the same Voice?
The TCs are the old covenant. Five verses earlier, we read this.
John 6:58
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”
So you do understand that the Sabbath was introduced in Exodus chapter sixteen. Very good. Maybe that's not what you meant.Funny you mention the manna since it was used to instruct them concerning the Sabbath.
Our former prison guard? "Before the coming of this faith..." ??? (Gal.3:23-24)So, you don't treasure the "old covenant"?
That's good. (for you)Matthew 13:52
He said to them, “Therefore every teacher of the law who has become a disciple in the kingdom of heaven is like the owner of a house who brings out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old.”
I treasure both...
So you do understand that the Sabbath was introduced in Exodus chapter sixteen. Very good. Maybe that's not what you meant.
Who knew before God told Moses?The Sabbath was introduced in Genesis...
Let's hash this out...
At least Bible doesn’t say it is wrong.
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