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Well, if you would like some scriptures, tell me what you object to that I say, and I will find the scriptures that back up my beliefs. All I've said so far is that we're saved by grace, and that the spirit helps us live like we should when we're saved. Grace through forgiveness covers us when we mess up. But we don't become perfect as if we don't sin when we become saved. We still struggle. I think you assume that I believe the whole "grace is an excuse to sin" belief that most people nowadays believe and if so I don't know how you came to that guess. Grace saved us from sin but Jesus died because he knew we would make mistakes in the future. His blood covers us when we sin. So, that's what I believe. Trying to make it clear. If you are going to keep telling me I'm wrong, then I don't see the point at continuing to go at it, because I know what I believe and I feel confident with the Councelor's guidance. Might I say the way you go about these conversations is not in a godly fashion. It's accusatory and ugly.
such a rare quality pastor .. by unknown sins he means things in your life that the holy Spirit has not yet revealed to you As sin -and it is right on scriptural .I understand. However the poster I argued with said that it only means your "unknown sins" are forgiven. This is unscriptual. Check the context of the argument next time.
ROMANS.5:12-21 = Death in Adam, Life in ChristIf God created the person's will and circumstance, knew the outcome of his sin, and did nohing about it, was is then truly 'bad' for the murderer to commit murder?
incorrect sorry ... confession without repentance is just admitting you've done wrong are doing wrong and plan to keep on rebelling .Wow, okay. I don't even know what you presume that I believe, but some of the things you are saying are very unbiblical. You are saying we don't sin after we become saved. You are not even quoting me. I never said that he covers them as we commit them. I said when we confess our sins he forgives. I say past, present, and future, because he forgives the sins I committed in the past that I confessed, my present struggles, and the ones I will commit in the future. Everyone sins. I'm not saying it's okay. I'm just saying becoming a Christian does not make you perfect as if you don't sin anymore. That's a deception and if you want to talk false teaching, that's it. I come to this sight to peacefully and respectfully discuss the Bible and you are very ugly and accusatory about it. Don't go saying I don't know my beliefs, because I know where I'm at with God. Instead of shoving your beliefs down people, maybe you should let the Holy Spirit do it's work. This should be a place where we show love.
im not sure YET what your final point is . but one thing i know .. JESUS came to save us from our sin.. so if we are still slaves to sin ,we are not servants of righteousness yet .Back when I used to go to Catholic Bible study (im no longer Catholic) they used to teach us alter boys that whenever we sinned it was as if we lashed our Lord or drove a nail into his arm at Calvary. If you think of it every sin you commit right this moment is a sin that Jesus bore at the cross. This is a profound and deep relationship that we must have with our God that he bore all our sins yet we continue to sin.
im not sure YET what your final point is . but one thing i know .. JESUS came to save us from our sin.. so if we are still slaves to sin ,we are not servants of righteousness yet .
which means one of two things
A -Jesus failed
B- we are refusing to repent
one of these is lying about the true state of the matter and it is NOT JESUS
never implied anything .. i said i don't YET know what your final point is (referring to the post you made) . AND then -i went on to present a point .First of all how dare you claim that ive implied that Jesus failed. secondly Ive never mentioned repentance and if I were to say who a true Christian is its one that strays from sin either because they abhor it or/and because they know that the wrath of God will be upon them shall they continue in sin. Lastly I know that I am no saint in my own power and that my works in the end are dirty rags before the Lord.
These are not my opinion by the way. It is written, spoken by the living God.I respect your opinion and belief.
My question however still lingers unanswered.
I shall figure it out one day.
Not all thoughts that come into your mind necessarily originate from you, but unless you are possessed by a foreign spirit, which would be the something else inside of you that is controlling your actions, you are responsible for your own actions and what to do with those thoughts and those feelings that you have.I do not know if my thoughts and feelings are my own, because I do not know if something else inside of the thing I call "me" is controlling my actions.
That makes sense. Sinning against the greatest in power is the greatest sin.
However, God has created us and is allowing us to sin. Why would he do that, while he can just as well turn us all into sinless God abiding beings in a mere moment?
Morally speaking, there is no objective way to decide what is good and what is bad. Whether something is good or bad is largely decided by individuals and consensus in a society.So sin is the absence of God. That is a beautiful answer.
Because that means that sin is not something that God has created,
Which in turn means that sin in and of itself isn't "bad". It is only bad in the eyes of God, who is good and did not create sin.
This answer satisfies me, because it means both sinning and not-sinning are not inherently good or bad. It is only God that says that.
this is a good presentation .Yea exactly that . We have a problem of accountability . For example If I put my chinchilla under a steel bucket and it will try to escape but has no ability to who is guilty of the death of that chinchilla , me because I did not provide a way of escaping or chinchilla because he did not try enought ?
God can't just forgive without the penalty , if a judge let guilty person free then he is partaker in his/her crime .
That's why God in his foreknowledge died in his mind before he even created the world .
Revelation 13:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
It was not a surprise for God , he declares the end from beginning , when Adam and Eve sin he alredy told them that seed of a woman will bruise Satan's head .
Through all the time God required to have faith that he will provide , Abraham had faith in resurrection of Isaac as typology of Christ , Jews had faith in Messiah , People from Genesis times had faith in Seed of a women , we have faith in Christ .
So actually there was one gospel but the name of Christ was not revealed for people before Christ came . All were justified by faith .
We read that Salvation is not of works Ephesian 2:8-9 but in OT God did not change anything and it was still the same
Psalm 49
7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
8 (For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever
You alredy have a problem shown here that finite created being can't pay penalty for eternal being .
And you have the solution
15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Selah.
But people still to this day are trying to save themselfes not trusting in the atonement but thier good works or keeping salvation . They are like that chinchilla trying to eat through steel bucket.
No, that fruit is not evil and is not sin, but disobedience is. God did not create disobedience.But God created that fruit, so does that mean that God created evil and sin?
Didn't I answer your question? You control you. You can choose heaven - the Lord showed you the path. Or you can choose not heaven.
All that is not within the created intent of God is evil, and for this week, for His own reasons, He has allowed something beyond His intent to exist.
So God created freedom and allowed a real choice.
I guess that if you look from a transcendant perspective you could agree with God that the ultimate end of creation, that of Loving relationship with those who have responded to His Love and love him in return, is good.
But from a human perspective, as individuals that have a choice, it should be considered that the wrong choice is only evil, and incredibly dissapointing to the One Who Loves us.
Well, yes, but, it is bad in the eyes of God and there is no higher authority. So if something is bad in the eyes of God, how can it not be inherently bad?
What is freedom? Without freedom of thought, could a person love?
If there is freedom, then both good actions and evil actions must be possible, else its not freedom.
Consider, could a rigidly programmed robot actually love? It could emulate concern, kindness, but it would only be a program.
With freedom then suffering, evil, compassion, kindness, love -- all become possible and with enough people surely will all happen.
It says you are allowing your flesh to overrule the Spirit. The closer you get to God, the less you will love the things he hates. But in my view, it is a life long journey and no one reaches perfection. Did you ever wonder why Monks would live by themselves in caves? Less temptations. If you're not around other people there are less opportunities to sin. I'm not saying to live that way, but getting alone will God now and then is a good practice.
I did not say I don't know the origin of the spirit. I simply told you I can't give you a scientific paper on it. My spirit is of God, yet it has a free will. My spirit can be influenced by my sinful ancestors, and the spirit of God, yet decision is of mine own. Simple as that. You may in your worldly wisdom say "if my spirit is of God there is no free will" and then lie to your self, murder your conscience and suffocate your spirit by living in sin; but you better believe you will have no excuses in the day of judgement.
Reading your comments, Kees can I be honest with you? You speak about God but I don't think you know Him. I think you are simply trying to get away with doing whatever you want.
What makes you want to sin? Have you ever read the Bible? Let me ask you a better question, do you really believe in God and His word? Your answer to this question will make your seemingly deep philosophy obsolete. Do you think there was a good reason that God Himself left behind all His glory, suffered a human life, went through physical and spiritual anguish like nobody ever has and died on a cross; just so you may be free from sin by believing in Him and receiving His Holy Spirit? No, don't believe it? Then why bother asking, to sear your conscience through which God is speaking to you? Then if you do believe, would you try so hard to justify sinning to the point of blaming God for it?
Just because "I want to do something" doesn't make it right, or that I have no decision or say in it, or that the want justifies it. Just because I felt like punching someone didn't make me go and sit down, think about the feeling I had and conclude "if God gave me my feelings and I felt like punching that guy, I should have punched him" and try to justify and claim "God is responsible because He gave me my spirit and free will" and masking it behind false philosophy all the while lying to my conscience.
If I do really believe in God, then even if I don't completely understand everything, I believe there's a reason why God is giving me certain instructions through His word and my conscience. Even if I can't put a name on every single thing, I can see there must be a reason that the Lord Himself was left alone, nailed on a piece of wood with His body pierced, shredded and unable to breathe.
Make sure you are being honest with yourself Kees, and make sure you identify the core of your questions. If you deal with the faith issue, I think everything else will fall into place. Don't kill your own conscience.
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