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Is it possible to control your own thoughts?

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I agree with the other two. While it might be hard to keep thoughts from entering our mind, we can control whether we keep thinking about them.

Philippians 4:8, "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

If our mind is constantly focused on Jesus, then it will be almost impossible for any evil thought to invade our mind.
 
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I agree with the other two. While it might be hard to keep thoughts from entering our mind, we can control whether we keep thinking about them.

Philippians 4:8, "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

If our mind is constantly focused on Jesus, then it will be almost impossible for any evil thought to invade our mind.

Do you think that you will face mental distractions trying to focus on Jesus and if so wouldn't you say you aren't really in control of those mental distractions?
 
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Here's an example, this week a female coworker was talking about me behind my back and she's done some other things to me such as say "bullsh.." in the middle of my conversation. All week long the b-word has been going through my head. I seriously thought I might go off on her at some point. I tried praying and rationalizing and eventually I calmed down, I did give her some angry glances just so she'd know I knew and so she'd know I was mad at her. Guilt finally started to get the best of me, but I can't say I had any control over the b-word that I heard repeated in my brain over and over again.

Do you think it's possible to keep thoughts like that from ever entering your mind? I feel like my brain's a radio that just picks up transmissions.
 
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If that's true I have serious issues because I don't have a clue how to control them
Focus your mind on that which you want, and keep it constantly focused. We allow too many distractions into our lives. So write down what you want to have within your mind and when distracting and stray thoughts come, replace them immediately by returning your focus to what you want as spelled out by YOU. If your primary occupation in your leisure hours is serious Bible study, your thoughts will not be wandering off into other realms. And you will never exhaust the Word of God.

The Bible should be your primary focus, and memorizing Scripture should be one of your key activities. Shut out all the media (which are generally worthless) and think on those things which matter. Today people are constantly fiddling with their iphones. Shut yours off.

Note what Paul says, and practice it (Philippians 4:8,9):
Finally, brethren,
whatsoever things are true,
whatsoever things are honest,
whatsoever things are just,
whatsoever things are pure,
whatsoever things are lovely,
whatsoever things are of good report;
if there be any virtue,
and if there be any praise,
think on these things.
Those things,
which ye have both learned,
and received,
and heard,
and seen in me, do:
and the God of peace shall be with you.
 
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when I think of bringing thoughts captive, I think it means that even though the thought enters your mind, you don't have to dwell on it.
Yes, cuja :oldthumbsup:

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

It looks like you are saying that she got the better of you. Were you speaking what is worthwhile and wholesome, and humbly? When I have talked in ways that were my own ego, I have had run-ins with people rebuking and scolding me. And then it got the better of me, so I secretly got nasty and imagining conversations of fighting those people with my words, putting them down; and, "of course", I always win in my imagination's word fights.

But then I might think of how "God resists the proud" (in James 4:6, 1 Peter 5:5). I understand . . . in my case . . . that God may arrange for me to get batted by people, when I am not doing His will, not speaking what He pleases, not being humble about it.

"'I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men.'" (1 Samuel 7:14)

So, God can use worldly people to deal with me while I am acting in ego. Then my angry and dominating (not caring) reacting can give my self away. Then I do well to pray and "hold out" for God to correct me and restore me into His peace and even sweet and sensitive sharing with Him, submitting to Him for what He really would have me doing. And I find that He corrects me to care about people who are a problem for me . . . first . . . in prayer.

But, if you spoke what is worthwhile . . . "it" can indeed be manure for feeding what God is growing :)

Were you talking about what is worth attention? Test this :) > where our attention belongs, with God.
 
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Yes, cuja :oldthumbsup:

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

It looks like you are saying that she got the better of you. Were you speaking what is worthwhile and wholesome, and humbly? When I have talked in ways that were my own ego, I have had run-ins with people rebuking and scolding me. And then it got the better of me, so I secretly got nasty and imagining conversations of fighting those people with my words, putting them down; and, "of course", I always win in my imagination's word fights.

But then I might think of how "God resists the proud" (in James 4:6, 1 Peter 5:5). I understand . . . in my case . . . that God may arrange for me to get batted by people, when I am not doing His will, not speaking what He pleases, not being humble about it.

"'I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men.'" (1 Samuel 7:14)

So, God can use worldly people to deal with me while I am acting in ego. Then my angry and dominating (not caring) reacting can give my self away. Then I do well to pray and "hold out" for God to correct me and restore me into His peace and even sweet and sensitive sharing with Him, submitting to Him for what He really would have me doing. And I find that He corrects me to care about people who are a problem for me . . . first . . . in prayer.

But, if you spoke what is worthwhile . . . "it" can indeed be manure for feeding what God is growing :)

Were you talking about what is worth attention? Test this :) > where our attention belongs, with God.


She said she went to Olive Garden and her salad was terrible but she gave the waitress a tip anyway. I replied, true she doesn't make the salads. To which she replied "bullsh.." I hate talking anyway, I don't have much to talk about so I try to come up with something to say, but yeah, a lot of times my ego comes through.
 
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Do you think that you will face mental distractions trying to focus on Jesus and if so wouldn't you say you aren't really in control of those mental distractions?
You are right. It is impossible to have complete control over your mind. We can try to focus on Jesus but distractions will come and we will fall for them. While doing our best to keep our focus on Jesus we fill fail. That is why we need to give control of our mind to Jesus since he will not fail. He will keep our mind on him for us. We need to have faith that he is willing and able to cleanse our minds to the point that evil thoughts and distractions will not enter our mind. This is a lot easier said than done since we tend to dislike surrendering and putting complete trust in Jesus. We tend to like to "supervise" the work of sanctification to make sure it is going alright. But we do not know what alright is. The first step is the hardest, after Jesus has shown that hope in him is secure we will remember and be able to trust him more fully. That is why sanctification of our minds take so long, we have a hard time giving up control. Trust in Jesus and wait patiently on him, and he will cleanse our minds.
 
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Focus your mind on that which you want, and keep it constantly focused. We allow too many distractions into our lives. So write down what you want to have within your mind and when distracting and stray thoughts come, replace them immediately by returning your focus to what you want as spelled out by YOU. If your primary occupation in your leisure hours is serious Bible study, your thoughts will not be wandering off into other realms. And you will never exhaust the Word of God.

The Bible should be your primary focus, and memorizing Scripture should be one of your key activities. Shut out all the media (which are generally worthless) and think on those things which matter. Today people are constantly fiddling with their iphones. Shut yours off.

Note what Paul says, and practice it (Philippians 4:8,9):
Finally, brethren,
whatsoever things are true,
whatsoever things are honest,
whatsoever things are just,
whatsoever things are pure,
whatsoever things are lovely,
whatsoever things are of good report;
if there be any virtue,
and if there be any praise,
think on these things.
Those things,
which ye have both learned,
and received,
and heard,
and seen in me, do:
and the God of peace shall be with you.

That seems like good advice, the problem is I don't really think about much of anything, I have a hard time coming up with things to think about. I work in a boring desk job entering invoices into a computer all day and my mind seems like it comes up with it's own stuff out of the blue.

To me it's like brain storming, when you come up with random thoughts. Can we take any credit for random thoughts?
I'll try to take your advice, but my main problem is I can't seem to thing of anything good to think about.
 
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You are right. It is impossible to have complete control over your mind. We can try to focus on Jesus but distractions will come and we will fall for them. While doing our best to keep our focus on Jesus we fill fail. That is why we need to give control of our mind to Jesus since he will not fail. He will keep our mind on him for us. We need to have faith that he is willing and able to cleanse our minds to the point that evil thoughts and distractions will not enter our mind. This is a lot easier said than done since we tend to dislike surrendering and putting complete trust in Jesus. We tend to like to "supervise" the work of sanctification to make sure it is going alright. But we do not know what alright is. The first step is the hardest, after Jesus has shown that hope in him is secure we will remember and be able to trust him more fully. That is why sanctification of our minds take so long, we have a hard time giving up control. Trust in Jesus and wait patiently on him, and he will cleanse our minds.

Do you think it is worthwhile to try to force myself to think of the things that Job8 talked about, because to me I wonder if I'm even capable of it, not to try to put you in a debate with Job but I'm wondering what your opinion of that is because it seems like a daunting task that I'm not capable of.
 
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Do you think it is worthwhile to try to force myself to think of the things that Job8 talked about, because to me I wonder if I'm even capable of it, not to try to put you in a debate with Job but I'm wondering what your opinion of that is because it seems like a daunting task that I'm not capable of.
Forcing yourself seems like work. If you try to force yourself you will get to stressed. But yea we can definitely try to think on Jesus, just remember that he is the one supposed to be in control and don't get down if you slip up and think something bad. If you have faith that God is leading you he will take you at the pace that is right for you. There is no guilt or condemnation when we are in Christ. But Job8 has a great point about the Bible study. When I find that my mind isn't being kept bust by my work, I tend to think about God as if I was delivering a sermon (though no one really gets to hear them). During which time my mind wonders but it tends to stay on God. I came up with a lot of theories about God from scientific viewpoints. Try picking a hobby that seems to focus on God, I study. if in depth pursuits of knowledge isn't your thing, maybe writing Christian songs or reflecting on the beauty of God's creation and imagining how much more beautiful it must have been before the fall (or after the redemption of this world). Just remember who is in charge.
 
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She said she went to Olive Garden and her salad was terrible but she gave the waitress a tip anyway. I replied, true she doesn't make the salads.
I think that could be very perceptive of you, to think of this.
To which she replied [no way, that's stupid nonsense]
How would she know who made the salad? Possibly, instead of letting that shut you down, you can ask why she thinks that, and listen.
I hate talking anyway, I don't have much to talk about so I try to come up with something to say, but yeah, a lot of times my ego comes through.
I think it was good to consider the possibility that it wasn't the waitress's fault. And is the lady one who tends to be critical and negative? Her character can have her seeing things negatively. So, we too can need to watch ourselves, that we do not automatically assume bad possibilities.
 
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I think that could be very perceptive of you, to think of this. How would she know who made the salad? Possibly, instead of letting that shut you down, you can ask why she thinks that, and listen.I think it was good to consider the possibility that it wasn't the waitress's fault. And is the lady one who tends to be critical and negative? Her character can have her seeing things negatively. So, we too can need to watch ourselves, that we do not automatically assume bad possibilities.

She said that she knew because she was a waitress and she did everything. This lady is very critical. I was so mad at her I thought I would blow up and scream obscenities at her. I was going to confront her just to get it off my chest but someone advised me to just talk to her about work and nothing else, which I think is what I will try to do.

One of the reasons I ask this question is because for the last 12 years or so I believed that we don't have control of our thoughts. That bad thoughts come from the devil and good thoughts come from God and I really haven't questioned it until this week. I've told many people this, and I assumed that if they didn't believe it that it's because God hasn't revealed it to them. But this week I decided maybe I should look further into this because maybe I'm wrong.

About 12 years ago when I decided to give God a try again, I spent about a whole week fighting with my thoughts. Very evil thoughts were entering my mind and I kept trying to get them to stop. Each bad thought I'd think was met with a verse from the Bible to contradict each bad thought. It wore me out trying to fight these thoughts, they were endless. Then all of a sudden it dawned on me that bad thoughts are from demons and good thoughts from God.

This gets into my relationships too because someone will be talking to me and all of a sudden a critical thought about the person enters my mind and I try to forget about it and then I keep thinking about not thinking about it and I'm trying to not let the person that's talking to me realize that I'm not paying attention to what they are saying and it throws the whole conversation off. It seems like it's gotten better lately but it still happens all of a sudden.

If it's possible to control your thoughts, I'd definitely by up for trying it, but everything I've tried has failed.
 
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