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Is it possible to be a Christian and pro-choice?

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Enilorac

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Oh so the lady self-diagnosed herself?

Sorry, they don't admit people who self-diagnose just to get an abortion.

Why on earth can't you go find the news articles? I'm not going to do your thinking for you. Not to mention, do you REALLY think some woman would make up a lethal fetal defect for the heck of it??? Now I know you have no clue about the female reproductive system OR fetal development and the possibility of catastrophic and/or lethal abnormalities.
 
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So, you're saying that a man is incapable of saying no and keeping his hormones in check? IF that is true, then he's not a man, he's an animal. Nope...men can say no too. They are not dogs or cats who are sniffing out a female in heat and going ahead and doing his thing. Is he a slave to his hormones or is he a rational, thinking, human being able to discern right and wrong?

No, that's what you're saying. However, generally a female who gives a male the green light so-to-speak in a moment of passion between the couple, the male will
be more than willing.

Men can say no too, but only a woman can say yes.
 
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Are we really saying that men have some uncontrollable urge to have sex due to their innate nature and women don’t, and their function is to moderate men’s access to sex?

Are we really going to say men are that stupid and that women are in charge of keeping them in line? Does that mean that men who complain their wives aren’t having sex with them enough should be told that’s her prerogative because it’s the women who make all the decisions in sex?

It's not uncontrollable, but a very strong desire.

Unless there is a willing female, the male doesn't have sex unless he rapes
the woman, but that's a felony and most men do not rape women.
 
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Why on earth can't you go find the news articles? I'm not going to do your thinking for you. Not to mention, do you REALLY think some woman would make up a lethal fetal defect for the heck of it??? Now I know you have no clue about the female reproductive system OR fetal development and the possibility of catastrophic and/or lethal abnormalities.

A woman with a problem would go to the ER and they would diagnose the problem.

Unless her life is in immediate danger, They will not perform an abortion just because she says she requires one.

You give the medical professionals at hospitals little credit for knowing what they're doing.

Stop making up stories to justify your support for direct abortions.
 
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Once again, your hormones are your problem. Making a woman responsible for YOU is ridiculous.

As a wife and mother of 2 sons, I have NEVER EVER seen any of the three of them turn into a big drooling pile of testosterone around a woman, any woman including their wives or significant others as they became adults. As teenagers, there were a few sort of embarrassing moments at water parks and the beach, but again, even though those hormones were obviously raging, they had the self-control to act like respectable young men. If you can't do that, well, my first advice would be to grow up.
 
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A woman with a problem would go to the ER and they would diagnose the problem.

Unless her life is in immediate danger, They will not perform an abortion just because she says she requires one.

You give the medical professionals at hospitals little credit for knowing what they're doing.

Stop making up stories to justify your support for direct abortions.

Go do your homework and quit accusing me of lying.
 
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It's not uncontrollable, but a very strong desire.

Unless there is a willing female, the male doesn't have sex unless he rapes
the woman, but that's a felony and most men do not rape women.

So we are supposed to believe in this scenario that men are weak and incapable of consistent control of themselves and thus have no culpability and women are responsible for controlling men and their impulses and, if they aren’t successful or give in, it’s their fault?

So if having sex is 100% up to the woman, why would you think you have any say in matters related to abortion? Sex is in the control of the woman, so obviously that means any choices she has to make with regards to what happens involve her and her alone, from choosing to have sex right on through choosing to terminate a pregnancy. So even by your scenario, where men can’t control themselves and women have to be responsible for sex and all that results from it, it’s *still* nobody’s business but the woman’s what happens should she get pregnant.
 
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Once again, your hormones are your problem. Making a woman responsible for YOU is ridiculous.

As a wife and mother of 2 sons, I have NEVER EVER seen any of the three of them turn into a big drooling pile of testosterone around a woman, any woman including their wives or significant others as they became adults. As teenagers, there were a few sort of embarrassing moments at water parks and the beach, but again, even though those hormones were obviously raging, they had the self-control to act like respectable young men. If you can't do that, well, my first advice would be to grow up.

I'm not making a woman responsible for me, stop trying to post what I never said.

A woman is responsible for herself, which is the point. The woman will suffer the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy and if she has sex irresponsibly, will be left alone with her child. In times past, my parents age, in order for a male to have sex, it meant getting married. In my time, it meant at least being engaged to the person. Today, I'm not sure, but the television and movies show that it's for pleasure, nothing more.

I never seen a man turn into a big drooling pile of testosterone, but males behave differently when not around females, especially their mothers. I suspect your sons do as well.

The facts of life are this, both females and males are looking to mate. They have unconscious standards for finding a suitable mate. Females generally look for a
male who can provide for them and potential children. So, they look for a male who has a stable job and good social standing and are respectful towards them. Women rarely, accept a potential male partner who has no prospects in life and is at the bottom economically. Instead, women generally seek males across or up the ladder. This is different for young females who often go for the bad-boys. However, as they mature, they turn toward the more successful males.

Males generally look for a stable woman, who can care for his household, his potential children. Males also know that a woman want's a male who is stable in his job or career and has good social standards.

However, males are far more driven to have sex than females. All you have to do is look at how many prostitutes and strip clubs are for males verses females.

When I was growing up, the magazine racks were filled with magazines for women. The emphasis was how to attract a mate. The few men's magazines were about women displaying themselves as sex objects. Why did these sell? Because that's what women and men were attracted to buy.

As a male, I know the difference between females and males. In his book,
"When Men Behave Badly," Dr David M. Buss, evolutionary phycologists,
explains the differences between female and male attractions and why we see
so many conflicts today between women and men out in the world.

Most of the conflicts are driven by desire for a mate and the differences in behavior in women and men trying to find one.
 
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Wow. That read like a 1950’s “science” book. Men are men and that’s how they are, but women should know better. If she gets pregnant, it’s her fault for not controlling her man and saying “no.”

Then we throw the marriage component into it because apparently that fixes everything and nothing bad can happen. Every pregnancy is wanted and husbands are more in control of their sex drives, so when the wife says “no more babies so no more sex,” he’s totally chill.
 
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