Is it possible for a sinner who has a "666" tattoo to get saved?

[seekingsolace]

seekingsolace: Do you think a small, faith based tattoo on a wrist, for example, would suitably fit the bounds of modesty?

Entirely depends on the persons and cultural influence I would expect. Modesty to western standards is very different to eastern.

I wouldn't judge a person with tattoos, large or small. That being said, it's not something I would personally recommend. I think the waters are a little murky on the subject, and feel that there are many non-permanent alternatives.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Entirely depends on the persons and cultural influence I would expect. Modesty to western standards is very different to eastern.

I wouldn't judge a person with tattoos, large or small. That being said, it's not something I would personally recommend. I think the waters are a little murky on the subject, and feel that there are many non-permanent alternatives.

I guess a small, faith based one - say - on a wrist would be hard to describe as immodest, anyway...

 

[seekingsolace]

I guess a small, faith based one - say - on a wrist would be hard to describe as immodest, anyway...

In your opinion yes. But personally I am always wary of recommending something if the waters are murky.

 

[faroukfarouk]

In your opinion yes. But personally I am always wary of recommending something if the waters are murky.

Well, fine.

seekingsolace:

Do you think reticence about doing even a faith based wrist tattoo would be because of non-Western opinion? Because for example in North America now, a huge amount of people get tattoos, and 59%-70% or more of parlor clients, in North America at least, are women, from 18 year olds to moms and grammas who might well get small faith based or family related designs.

(I appreciate you don't like tattoos, so this is fine.)

 

[seekingsolace]

Well, fine.

seekingsolace:

Do you think reticence about doing even a faith based wrist tattoo would be because of non-Western opinion? Because for example in North America now, a huge amount of people get tattoos, and 59%-70% or more of parlor clients, in North America at least, are women, from 18 year olds to moms and grammas who might well get small faith based or family related designs.

(I appreciate you don't like tattoos, so this is fine.)

I can't speak on behalf of others concerning their reservations. It's far too easy to justify an idea because of popularity or conformity. Each to their own. I personally have concern about advocating procedures in murky waters since I also partake in responsibility.

A quick note, I don't dislike tattoos. Many of my close friends and family have them; those which became Christians regret them. If a person acts in uncertainty or has to justify an action to themselves, then surely you are held accountable. I know you don't like my disagreement, but you did ask for my opinion!

"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God."

 

[faroukfarouk]

I can't speak on behalf of others concerning their reservations. It's far too easy to justify an idea because of popularity or conformity. Each to their own. I personally have concern about advocating procedures in murky waters since I also partake in responsibility.

A quick note, I don't dislike tattoos. Many of my close friends and family have them; those which became Christians regret them. If a person acts in uncertainty or has to justify an action to themselves, then surely you are held accountable. I know you don't like my disagreement, but you did ask for my opinion!

"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God."

seekingsolace:

Actually I appreciate your opinion and I like the verse you quoted very much.

Interesting that your Christian family and friends that have them regret theirs. There are also many Christians who find that a small, modest faith based tattoo is a proven effective conversation-starter in witness; but to each his - and also definitely her - own.

Blessings.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I must admit that I would have been far more dogmatic about this 30 or 35 years ago ...

Strong in Him:

Saw what your wrote. Yes, views do moderate sometimes, don't they? and of course 30 - 35 years ago it was far less usual for women to go under the tattoo machine, but now? more women than men do it (at least in North America, not sure about you guys over the Pond), including a lot of Christians with faith designs. Blessings.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Ok, theoretical question here: Let's say we have a criminal who receives a 666 tattoo on his forehead or right hand when he's in prison.
However, later on in life they regret it and have it removed. Is it possible for that person to get saved or no?

I would think so.
He could just cut off the hand and forehead to remove the 666 tattoo.........

Matt 5:30
"If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.

 

[Strong in Him]

Strong in Him:

Saw what your wrote. Yes, views do moderate sometimes, don't they? and of course 30 - 35 years ago it was far less usual for women to go under the tattoo machine, but now? more women than men do it (at least in North America, not sure about you guys over the Pond), including a lot of Christians with faith designs. Blessings.

There seem to be tattoo parlours springing up all over the place here - even one in my own town now, so I suppose there must be a demand for it.

I can't see myself ever wanting to get a tattoo - or not a permanent one anyway. If a Christian wanted to get a tattoo to express, or witness to, their faith, that's fine as far as I can see, and between them and God. Personally I think there are less painful ways of witnessing, but each to their own.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Ok, theoretical question here: Let's say we have a criminal who receives a 666 tattoo on his forehead or right hand when he's in prison. However, later on in life they regret it and have it removed. Is it possible for that person to get saved or no?

Yes. ...Because the actual Mark of the Beast isn't likely a tattoo...

 

[faroukfarouk]

There seem to be tattoo parlours springing up all over the place here - even one in my own town now, so I suppose there must be a demand for it.

I can't see myself ever wanting to get a tattoo - or not a permanent one anyway. If a Christian wanted to get a tattoo to express, or witness to, their faith, that's fine as far as I can see, and between them and God. Personally I think there are less painful ways of witnessing, but each to their own.

Strong in Him:

Well, yes, where we live there are at least two parlors that have opened up not long ago. Really, it's a service that so many people — of course now of both genders — seem to want. This is I guess also why many Christians, seeing as it's now a very widely used medium of expression, want to express their faith through it also.

Re. your comment about the pain, I know what you mean. I guess also that for some Christians the fact that, e.g., a Christian fish sign <>< on a wrist, ankle, foot, etc., may have involved a bit of pain, can for them be all part of the memory of commitment to what they are expressing, I suppose. (If this makes any sense?)

Of course, there are numbing agents such as DrNumb, which some ppl use to counter the pain.

Blessings.

 

[Optimax]

Is it possible for a sinner who has a "666" tattoo to get saved?

Is any "tattoo" stronger than what Jesus did on the cross?

One might also ask "is any tattoo stronger than the Blood of Jesus?

The correct answer is "no, any tattoo is not stronger that what Jesus did on the cross,

Nor is any tattoo stronger than the Blood of Jesus.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Is it possible for a sinner who has a "666" tattoo to get saved?

Is any "tattoo" stronger than what Jesus did on the cross?

One might also ask "is any tattoo stronger than the Blood of Jesus?

The correct answer is "no, any tattoo is not stronger that what Jesus did on the cross,

Nor is any tattoo stronger than the Blood of Jesus.

Well, exactly!

For someone who is already a Christian, it would be an odd thing for a believer to want to get, though! right?

Tattoos, of other varieties, are increasingly widespread among Christians, some of whom get them for their witness value if they are in a faith based design (e.g., Christian fish sign <>< or Bible ref. on a wrist, ankle. It used to be mainly male thing to do, but not any more.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I'm sure they are great conversation starters, and how better to be accepted by unbelievers who have tattoos, than by having a tattoo?

Strong in Him:

Yes, I think you've put your finger on the pulse of the rationale why it's so often done by Christians who want to witness.

For instance, I think that a lot of nurses do it. Nurses on night duty tend to identify closely with each other, for example, and if they each have shared the tattoo experience also, it's a sort of bonding, don't you think? and so Christian nurses who do it also (only with a faith based design, let's say) are highly likely to get to identify with and talk about the meaning of their ink with others of their profession as they share long and 'uncivilized' hours with them.

(Does this make any sense?)

Blessings.

 

[Strong in Him]

Strong in Him:

Yes, I think you've put your finger on the pulse of the rationale why it's so often done by Christians who want to witness.

For instance, I think that a lot of nurses do it. Nurses on night duty tend to identify closely with each other, for example, and if they each have shared the tattoo experience also, it's a sort of bonding, don't you think? and so Christian nurses who do it also (only with a faith based design, let's say) are highly likely to get to identify with and talk about the meaning of their ink with others of their profession as they share long and 'uncivilized' hours with them.

(Does this make any sense?)

Blessings.

Yes, it does. I would guess though that anyone who gets a tattoo does it because they want to have a tattoo. Much as I may understand the potential for witnessing, I am unlikely to ever subject myself to the needle, because I don't want to.
To me, jewellery, t shirts, stickers on my mobility scooter are just as eye catching and potential ways of witnessing. I've even had someone ask me how I can have faith in the God who heals when I walk around with a walking stick. I think God gives all kind of opportunities, and conversations, if we are prepared to remain open to him.
Having said that, if the Lord gave me a passion for witnessing in pubs or to bikers/lorry drivers, and I found that many of them had tattoos, I might do likewise.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

God is mighty to save anyone, if he weren't why bother believing?

 

[faroukfarouk]

Yes, it does. I would guess though that anyone who gets a tattoo does it because they want to have a tattoo. Much as I may understand the potential for witnessing, I am unlikely to ever subject myself to the needle, because I don't want to.
To me, jewellery, t shirts, stickers on my mobility scooter are just as eye catching and potential ways of witnessing. I've even had someone ask me how I can have faith in the God who heals when I walk around with a walking stick. I think God gives all kind of opportunities, and conversations, if we are prepared to remain open to him.
Having said that, if the Lord gave me a passion for witnessing in pubs or to bikers/lorry drivers, and I found that many of them had tattoos, I might do likewise.

Strong in Him:

Thanks!

So you think that always when Christian nurses do it with a faith based design (e.g., Christian fish sign <>< on wrist, etc.), it's firstly for them and then secondly for witnessing? (Admittedly it's something that huge numbers of nurses do; there's been a sea change since it was mainly a man thing.)

Sounds like if you were to have it done, though, witnessing would be the crowning reason and motive for becoming a tattooed woman with faith based ink, right?

Blessings.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I knew an Egyptian women. Their practice in Egypt is to tattoo the cross on the inside of the wrist.

There must be very strong motivation there, which overcomes any other considerations and reservations.

 

[Gottservant]

Actually 666 is a number the Holy Spirit plays with to annoy people, who don't realize as the Beast says that the real number was 616.

The problem being that a purely patterned sequence for a name (being ____ reinterpreted____) is usually immediately concatenated, without the wisdom to discern that one number is more or less emphatic than another ____ (with respect to ____ the name).

Case in point, George Foreman calls all his daughters Georgia - and still advertizes the same way regardless, because he was a boxer who got bludgeoned to the point that ____ ____ even thinking otherwise to that ____ ____ ____ doesn't make sense.

 

[faroukfarouk]

.. if the Lord gave me a passion for witnessing in pubs or to bikers/lorry drivers, and I found that many of them had tattoos, I might do likewise.

Strong in Him:

I hear what you say, although I realize that these extra comments might be for you merely a moot point. Regarding nurses, so many of whom have it done (there's truly been a sea change over the decades), there are many of them who actively regard their tattoos as a sign of being authentic and effective professional women when dealing with people, it would seem.

I am a conservative nurse, who has an assortment of artwork .. I have discovered my tattoos have been .. a common thread for my patients and myself removing a barrier and encouraging a therapeutic relationship. Patients identify with my tattoos, especially when they hear my reasoning. .. They appreciate my presence more knowing that not only education, but experience has created for them a balanced level headed nurse with sound principles and ethics. .. I am not the stepford nurse, I am a real nurse, with real experiences, who will care for you like a real person.

I .. having tattoos that represent the journey I have taken to get where I am today; I stand ever ready to explain my tattoos to anyone who wants to know about them, not to defend them, but to explain why they mean so much to me. I currently work as a nurse .. and do find that it makes me more "real" and approachable ..

I am a 61 yo registered nurse who happens to have tattoos. And I too, see them as an ice breaker with my patients.

I am a medical assistant student .. Working at a care facility .. a lot of my male residents had tattoos... most being all military veterans, they enjoyed the stories behind my tattoos...I have nothing vulgar or offensive .. my mother worked in the medical field for many years and she never had to cover her tattoos ..

I have been a nurse for 17 years and I have 2 tattoos. The first is .. a winged dragon with a nurse cap and a syringe .. The second is .. a Breast Cancer ribbon .. I will show my ribbon to a breast cancer patient so that they know I DO understand how they feel. Besides both of my tattoos have a story behind them and can be a good icebreaker.

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Even from a neutral, pragmatic perspective, I guess the extrapolation can be made that, since so many professionals such as nurses find their tattoos highly effective ice breakers and authenticity symbols, then again from a pragmatic perspective it's not surprising also that so many Christians find their faith based designs to be such effective conversation starters.

(If you get my drift?)

Blessings.