Is it OK to cheat on tests?

[Mercy Medical]

HOWEVER, same sex marrige IS another arrow to the heart of Holy Matrimony. They are responsible where it suits their values it might be said.

How? How is it a shot to the heart? Encouraging committed relationships where families are created and flourish is a shot to the heart of holy matrimony? Encouraging family groups is somehow cheapening marriage merely because we are encouraging family groups that are up to your standards or traditional values? Heterosexual marriages are cheapening their own standards so there's no need to place all the blame on homosexuality.

 

[LittleNipper]

How? How is it a shot to the heart? Encouraging committed relationships where families are created and flourish is a shot to the heart of holy matrimony? Encouraging family groups is somehow cheapening marriage merely because we are encouraging family groups that are up to your standards or traditional values? Heterosexual marriages are cheapening their own standards so there's no need to place all the blame on homosexuality.

Not my standards and values but GOD's. I didn't write the book. You need to study more Bible to apply HIS standards or you will rely on your own judgments ---- that amounts to cheating.

 

[Mercy Medical]

Not my standards and values but GOD's. I didn't write the book. You need to study more Bible to apply HIS standards or you will rely on your own judgments ---- that amounts to cheating.

Why should your perception of God's standards apply to me? What if I have a different perception/interpretation of what the Bible says about any of these things?

Being condescending towards others is certainly no way to "attract" new believers to Christ. Shouldn't it be my choice to study the Bible and apply said standards to my life and who's to say I'm not doing that already...?

 

[Braunwyn]

Not my standards and values but GOD's. I didn't write the book. You need to study more Bible to apply HIS standards or you will rely on your own judgments ---- that amounts to cheating.

As you've been told a hundred times, there's a difference between religious marriage and civil marriage. And here's a news flash for you - denying marriage rights to homosexuals is not going to save your marriage or make it better.

 

[gwenmead]

I still like the idea of reserving legal authority for marriage to the state, and removing it from religious entities.

That way any consenting adults who want to partake of marital benefits and responsibilities bestowed by the state can obtain a civil marriage license, whether they're a same-sex couple or opposite-sex one. Meanwhile religious organizations can celebrate unions before God, and leave whatever couples they want to out of it (though religious ceremonies would have no force in law whatsoever, and would not count as civil marriage).

Just an idea, though. Doesn't mean it can or should or could be implemented.

 

[Archer93]

This all started with the lame notion that because I know homosexuals should not be allowed to be joined in Holy matimony, that somehow sterile people shouldn't be allowed either.

We're not talking about Holy Matrimoney, that's up to the individual churches to decide.
We're talking about CIVIL MARRIAGE. A legal contract between two consenting adults. Religion has nothing to do with it in this context.

I think I'm whistling in the dark here, I've a feeling that he's put me on 'ignore'....

 

[lisah]

If the person being copied from and the person doing the copying are happy with that setup, is cheating on a test OK? Is anyone really hurt?
If no one else is hurt does that make it okay? Are teachers just bigotted
against those who cheat and are those teachers being unfair and unrealistic?

Cheating maybe proof of inborn survival traits. Perhaps any punishment against cheating is based on old fashion "religious" bias that has no place in our "modern society."

What are your feelings? Do you feel churches will eventually be won over by such notions?

What do I feel?

That the question and the attempt of justification would not enter ones mind if they believed it was right.

Thus, the question is answered by the question? (?)


(The question about churches, well, I'll just leave that part alone.)

 

[LittleNipper]

How? How is it a shot to the heart? Encouraging committed relationships where families are created and flourish is a shot to the heart of holy matrimony? Encouraging family groups is somehow cheapening marriage merely because we are encouraging family groups that are up to your standards or traditional values? Heterosexual marriages are cheapening their own standards so there's no need to place all the blame on homosexuality.

From what you presented, it would be the very same to call friendship marriage or the make a business partnerships marriage. Marriage has already been cheaped thanks to various misapplied court divorce cases. Terming homosexual actions a bases for marriage would be like passing anybody or everybody simply because they showed up to take the test...

 

[LittleNipper]

What do I feel?

That the question and the attempt of justification would not enter ones mind if they believed it was right.

Thus, the question is answered by the question? (?)


(The question about churches, well, I'll just leave that part alone.)

That's rather an interesting thought ----- Homosexuals try to justify homosexual marriage using questions all the time... Perhaps they really don't believe themselves right but simply wish approval from those who should know better.

 

[Mercy Medical]

From what you presented, it would be the very same to call friendship marriage or the make a business partnerships marriage. Marriage has already been cheaped thanks to various misapplied court divorce cases. Terming homosexual actions a bases for marriage would be like passing anybody or everybody simply because they showed up to take the test...

I do not understand what my post has to do with your first couple statements. Are you trying to insinuate that legalizing gay marriage will cause friends to get married for the benefits? If so, that very same scenario currently exists within heterosexual marriages...essentially ANY heterosexual pair can get married today, regardless if they are friends, business partners, whatever. Legalizing gay marriage is not encouraging people to abuse the system anymore then heterosexual marriage is.

 

[LittleNipper]

As you've been told a hundred times, there's a difference between religious marriage and civil marriage. And here's a news flash for you - denying marriage rights to homosexuals is not going to save your marriage or make it better.

That's true. The CHURCH can say that one's civil marrige license is worthless and to go take a hike. Our Constitutional government would have to concure that all churches have the right to say just that and agree that morality is none of the goverment's affair.

 

[Mercy Medical]

That's true. The CHURCH can say that one's civil marrige license is worthless and to go take a hike. Our Constitutional government would have to concure that all churches have the right to say just that and agree that morality is none of the goverment's affair.

Churches already have the right to deny marriage to certain groups of people. You do not see Jews getting married in a Catholic church or vice versa. From my understanding, this freedom already exists and does not need any sort of Constitutional amendment, if that's what you are implying.

 

[LittleNipper]

Churches already have the right to deny marriage to certain groups of people. You do not see Jews getting married in a Catholic church or vice versa. From my understanding, this freedom already exists and does not need any sort of Constitutional amendment, if that's what you are implying.

But while a Christian church will honor Mr. & Mrs Goldstein, Bob Smith and Barry Brown will always be Bob Smith and Barry Brown in the eyes of the CHURCH.

 

[Mercy Medical]

But while a Christian church will honor Mr. & Mrs Goldstein, Bob Smith and Barry Brown will always be Bob Smith and Barry Brown in the eyes of the CHURCH.

Why would any gay couple that gets married care how the church views them? The church doesn't matter. The church isn't granting them any rights. The state is.

I really do not understand the relevance of this post in reply to my previous one...

 

[LittleNipper]

Why would any gay couple that gets married care how the church views them? The church doesn't matter. The church isn't granting them any rights. The state is.

I really do not understand the relevance of this post in reply to my previous one...

The CHURCH through CHRIST sets the captives free. The STATE can simply grant rights ---- though the government of the US is supposed to be of the people, by the people, and for the people.

That to me would seem to indicate that the government is to work for the majority and not have it's own agenda. I might add that in the case of slavery, MOST people in the North and even many in the South realized that biblical implications of slavery and wished to end it.

 

[Mercy Medical]

The CHURCH through CHRIST sets the captives free. The STATE can simply grant rights ---- though the government of the US is supposed to be of the people, by the people, and for the people.

That to me would seem to indicate that the government is to work for the majority and not have it's own agenda. I might add that in the case of slavery, MOST people in the North and even many in the South realized that biblical implications of slavery and wished to end it.

Well you can adhere to whatever Christ-like standards you desire, but that does not mean everyone else has to.

And the government should work the way you indicated as long as what the people want doesn't infringe on the rights of others. There was one a time where women and African Americans did not have the same rights as white men. That's what the people wanted then. Did that make it right?

 

[b&wpac4]

The CHURCH through CHRIST sets the captives free.

Do you include that when you take into account those that the church saw fit to expel from whatever country they were in or when it played the "convert or die" game?

 

[FlamingFemme]

From what you presented, it would be the very same to call friendship marriage or the make a business partnerships marriage. Marriage has already been cheaped thanks to various misapplied court divorce cases. Terming homosexual actions a bases for marriage would be like passing anybody or everybody simply because they showed up to take the test...

I'm sorry, but my marriage is neither a 'friendship', nor a 'business partnership'. Is yours? Sure, friendship maybe a part of the relationship that I have with my wife, but it is by no means the entirety of it. And a business partnership? You don't really understand the concept of marriage at all, do you?
For the last time, my relationship with my wife is the same as your relationship with yours: a mutual, caring, loving, committed union, dedicated to raising our daughter. The goals we have in our family are similar to yours, I'm sure: to work, pay the bills, spend quality time together, contribute to our community and treat our neighbors with respect; to raise our daughter to be a well-rounded, caring, compassionate individual who will affect the world around her in positive ways; and to nurture our relationship so that we will grow in love, and deepen our committment to each other.
What part of that, to you, indicates 'friendship' or a 'business partnership'?

 

[lisah]

That's rather an interesting thought ----- Homosexuals try to justify homosexual marriage using questions all the time... Perhaps they really don't believe themselves right but simply wish approval from those who should know better.

I suppose it could be that, in some instances. Much like how some who obsess over homosexuality very well might be struggling with their own issues regarding same sex attraction.

It is a possibility.