Is it OK to cheat on tests?

[LittleNipper]

If the person being copied from and the person doing the copying are happy with that setup, is cheating on a test OK? Is anyone really hurt?
If no one else is hurt does that make it okay? Are teachers just bigotted
against those who cheat and are those teachers being unfair and unrealistic?

Cheating maybe proof of inborn survival traits. Perhaps any punishment against cheating is based on old fashion "religious" bias that has no place in our "modern society."

What are your feelings? Do you feel churches will eventually be won over by such notions?

 

[Kid Fish]

Cheating falls into the ten commandments. It is a kind of intellectual theft, so it is never acceptable unless you are a politician.

 

[LittleNipper]

Cheating falls into the ten commandments. It is a kind of intellectual theft, so it is never acceptable unless you are a politician.

But, I always thought that was true with regards to acts of homosexuality also? But as with politicians, there are exceptions to the regulation?

 

[b&wpac4]

If the person being copied from and the person doing the copying are happy with that setup, is cheating on a test OK? Is anyone really hurt?
If no one else is hurt does that make it okay? Are teachers just bigotted
against those who cheat and are those teachers being unfair and unrealistic?

Cheating maybe proof of inborn survival traits. Perhaps any punishment against cheating is based on old fashion "religious" bias that has no place in our "modern society."

What are your feelings? Do you feel churches will eventually be won over by such notions?

I see what you're trying to do here, but you are compared apples to rocket launchers.

 

[b&wpac4]

If the person being copied from and the person doing the copying are happy with that setup, is cheating on a test OK? Is anyone really hurt?
If no one else is hurt does that make it okay? Are teachers just bigotted
against those who cheat and are those teachers being unfair and unrealistic?

Cheating maybe proof of inborn survival traits. Perhaps any punishment against cheating is based on old fashion "religious" bias that has no place in our "modern society."

What are your feelings? Do you feel churches will eventually be won over by such notions?

Cheating on a test harms the schools/institution giving the test as well as other students because accomplishments of gifted students will be watered down by falsely gained scores. We need to be sure that when we are giving out degrees and such that those degrees were earned honestly so that the work force is not flooded by incompetent individuals that cannot perform the work the degree they carry claims they can.

 

[BlackSabb]

If the person being copied from and the person doing the copying are happy with that setup, is cheating on a test OK? Is anyone really hurt?
If no one else is hurt does that make it okay? Are teachers just bigotted
against those who cheat and are those teachers being unfair and unrealistic?

Cheating maybe proof of inborn survival traits. Perhaps any punishment against cheating is based on old fashion "religious" bias that has no place in our "modern society."

What are your feelings? Do you feel churches will eventually be won over by such notions?

What a truly bizarre sense of reasoning. Claiming that there's nothing wrong with cheating. Just ask yourself what tests are for in the first place? They are there for an examination of competency of someone studying in their particular field. The whole reason that cheating is wrong (I can't believe that I'm actually having to spell out to a bunch of so called adults) is that it could render someone legitimate to perform their chosen profession when in fact they are not competent. As a (true) test would indicate.

So tell me, you who advocates cheating. How would you like to be operated on by a surgeon who cheated on his exams? Just think about it. Or how would you like to be represented in a criminal court case by a lawyer that cheated on his exams, where you were facing a lengthy prison sentence if you lost the case? What about the mechanic that services the brakes on your car? How would you like to be driving down a long hill by one that cheated on his exams?

Honestly, what a question.

 

[LittleNipper]

I see what you're trying to do here, but you are compared apples to rocket launchers.

If you can see it, It can't be that far off the mark. Homosexual marriage would seem to be wrong for the very same reasons cheating on tests is wrong. It cheapens standards.

 

[b&wpac4]

If you can see it, It can't be that far off the mark. Homosexual marriage would seem to be wrong for the very same reasons cheating on tests is wrong. It cheapens standards.

It does not cheapen standards. My future marriage is in no way effected by any other people being married.

 

[Archer93]

If you can see it, It can't be that far off the mark. Homosexual marriage would seem to be wrong for the very same reasons cheating on tests is wrong. It cheapens standards.

The logic you are trying to use is obvious. It doesn't mean that the logic is correct.

Could you elaborate on how cheating in an exam, and thereby gaining marks and qualifications which one has not earned, is comperable to seeking legal recognition and protection of one's relationship?

 

[wanderingone]

If you can see it, It can't be that far off the mark. Homosexual marriage would seem to be wrong for the very same reasons cheating on tests is wrong. It cheapens standards.

While YOU may believe that same sex couples who marry are getting the benefits of something they don't meet the standards for it doesn't really work to compare the 2 ideas. It would actually be closer to compare someone who is gay but marries someone of the opposite gender in order to access marriage benefits to cheating on a test. It's getting the results without honestly being committed to the task.

 

[Mercy Medical]

If you can see it, It can't be that far off the mark. Homosexual marriage would seem to be wrong for the very same reasons cheating on tests is wrong. It cheapens standards.

Are you HONESTLY trying to turn this into a gay marriage debate. REALLY? If this was your true intend of the thread, you should state it right off the bat.

 

[LittleNipper]

It does not cheapen standards. My future marriage is in no way effected by any other people being married.

It most definitely has an effect on how people view marriage. YOU may not care, but the reality is that just like cheating on tests underminds scholastic standards and warps one's perception of an education, marriage applied to anything other than man & woman, husband & wife, father & mother corrupts the very foundation of why marriage is special, sacred, and more than friendship, more than sex, and cannot be applied to anybody or anything people dream up that seems to make them "happy."

Marriage isn't really just about making people "happy." Once we get over that hump, we might just lower the divorce rate and get back to proper standards that really produce something special and beautiful and more permanent ---- until death do part.

 

[wanderingone]

If most definitely has an effect on how people view marriage. YOU may not care, but the reality is that just like cheating on tests underminds scholastic standards and warps one's perception of an education, marriage applied to anything other than man & woman, husband & wife, father & mother corrupts the very foundation of why marriage is special, sacred, and more than friendship, more than sex, and cannot be applied to anybody or anything people dream up that seems to make them "happy."

Marriage isn't really just about making people "happy." Once we get over that hump, we might just lower the divorce rate and get back to proper standards that really produce something special and beautiful and more permanent ---- until death do part.

You're correct, it's not about making people happy, it's a contract that provides certain rights and responsibilities to the parties involved.

 

[b&wpac4]

If most definitely has an effect on how people view marriage. YOU may not care, but the reality is that just like cheating on tests underminds scholastic standards and warps one's perception of an education, marriage applied to anything other than man & woman, husband & wife, father & mother corrupts the very foundation of why marriage is special, sacred, and more than friendship, more than sex, and cannot be applied to anybody or anything people dream up that seems to make them "happy."

Marriage isn't really just about making people "happy." Once we get over that hump, we might just lower the divorce rate and get back to proper standards that really produce something special and beautiful and more permanent ---- until death do part.

If it doesn't effect the way I view marriage, and I am a person, how are you so certain it effects the way "people" view marriage. Why does it effect the way YOU view marriage?

 

[LittleNipper]

While YOU may believe that same sex couples who marry are getting the benefits of something they don't meet the standards for it doesn't really work to compare the 2 ideas. It would actually be closer to compare someone who is gay but marries someone of the opposite gender in order to access marriage benefits to cheating on a test. It's getting the results without honestly being committed to the task.

I'd have to disagree here, in that the "couple" involved would have to remain true to each other and not sleep around fulfilling sexual fettishes. That is the vow they do declare before man and GOD. A man who only delights in sex with men (for whatever reason) would find himself under oath to remain true to his wife and totally committed to his children.

This would make him think before he took the plung and the lady would best understand any future prospective husband and not just seek after looks, arousal, or wealth...

 

[b&wpac4]

I'd have to disagree here, in that the "couple" involved would have to remain true to each other and not sleep around fulfilling sexual fettishes. That is the vow they do declare before man and GOD. A man who only delights in sex with men (for whatever reason) would find himself under oath to remain true to his wife and totally committed to his children.

Nobody in the history of the world has ever committed adultery because they have made a vow.

I'm seeing some factual information wrong with this assessment of marriage.

 

[b&wpac4]

Tell you what. You explain to me how two men getting married is cheating on the test of marriage, and we'll talk about it.

 

[wanderingone]

I'd have to disagree here, in that the "couple" involved would have to remain true to each other and not sleep around fulfilling sexual fettishes. That is the vow they do declare before man and GOD. A man who only delights in sex with men (for whatever reason) would find himself under oath to remain true to his wife and totally committed to his children.

This would make him think before he took the plung and the lady would best understand any future prospective husband and not just seek after looks, arousal, or wealth...

Marriage is only a vow before God if the couple involved chooses to have a religious marriage.

A person who vows to marry someone but who is only marrying them to satisfy cultural convention is doing the same thing as the person cheating on the test, using any means necessary to produce the facade they want for the community.

 

[LittleNipper]

If it doesn't effect the way I view marriage, and I am a person, how are you so certain it effects the way "people" view marriage. Why does it effect the way YOU view marriage?

It effects the way society views marriage. Each rung down the ladder has underminded marriage. Sex outside of marriage was once very taboo. Adultery was once very very loathsome. No fault divorce has made marriage vows nearly worthless.

As we as a society have become acceptive, we begin to become more receptive and less critical. Why so many children have no father and women have no husbands has become the norm instead of the exception.

We as a society don't even seem to concern ourselves with ideals. The only thing that matters is whether we are "happy" or "feel good." And guess what? People are not very happy and people don't "feel good" and they no longer seem to have a clue as to why. We as a society have become so desensetized to obligation and so preoccupied with our personal "needs"/ desires that we do not even give our neighbors the time of day.

I cannot change what you desire, but I can certainly get people to consider marriage as something more than personal "choice." And my practice and applied values may just be enough to redirect our society to return to something nobler and less selfish.

 

[b&wpac4]

It effects the way society views marriage. Each rung down the ladder has underminded marriage. Sex outside of marriage was once very taboo. Adultery was once very very loathsome. No fault divorce has made marriage vows nearly worthless.

As we as a society have become acceptive, we begin to become more receptive and less critical. Why so many children have no father and women have no husbands has become the norm instead of the exception.

We as a society don't even seem to concern ourselves with ideals. The only thing that matters is whether we are "happy" or "feel good." And guess what? People are not very happy and people don't "feel good" and they no longer seem to have a clue as to why. We as a society have become so desensetized to obligation and so preoccupied with our personal "needs"/ desires that we do not even give our neighbors the time of day.

I cannot change what you desire, but I can certainly get people to consider marriage as something more than personal "choice." And my practice and applied values may just be enough to redirect our society to return to something nobler and less selfish.

So, you fight gay marriage instead of against no-fault divorces and for a greater understanding of the vow people take when being married. Seems like the wrong angle to me.