Is it just me? [moved from Ministry]

And Jesus responds that divorce isn't okay except in cases of adultery.

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Actually *IF* you understood His words Hes NOT actually even giving a seal of approval on divorcing for adultery. That ISNT His point in the least.
His point is to EXPOSE the sins of the Jews who cast out their wives without cause to take someone else.

Are you actually claiming here that these folks were casting out their wives to be celibate ? Come one guy....lets get real here.
They were throwing out one wife to take someone else more pleasing...are you making up some new details here?

It's not talking about divorce with intent to remarry.

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Uh...yeah....it is....precisely what they were doing....as Herod is evidence of.

It's just talking about divorce and divorced people getting remarried.

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riiiight.
And as we know there is NEVER any context from which Christ is speaking....He speaks blindly in a vaccuum without any real point, I suppose.

THIS is why you reject the truth....

Christ was dealign with the Jewish sin of casting ouit their wives to take someone else...sorry but that is just the fact...just as we see many doing today.
That is why He deals with BOTH the divorce AND remarriage in the gospels...to show the Jewish men (mainly) that they WERE committing sin even if they believed that Moses allowed them to do what they were doing...

It's not my whims, it's what's acceptable in debate or not. Articles that you've written are not acceptable, whether you like that or not.

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Do you think I care if you find them acceptable or not ?
There is a list of pastors who use my material for teaching their own congregations....Im hardly dismayed that you dont like what I have to offer here



edit....adding this for those who read this thread.

Now, there is one key differences between Mark 10 and Matthew 19 that indicate Jesus was not saying the same thing to the same people. Between Mark 8 and Matthew 15, there are 3 key differences- differences in event, message, and people involved.

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No, like many others accounts in the gospels, there are some details recorded in one account that isnt recorded in another. Very likely this is why we have FOUR gospel accounts at our disposal.

Mark 8 states that just the Pharisees are involved (people),

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Im sorry....WHERE again does it literally SAY "ONLY the pharisees were there" ???
It doesnt. It simply doesnt record every detail the other account does.
And again, *IF* we study in this manner then there was more than one resurrection

that in the previous feeding only 4000 TOTAL people were present

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No the men are typically what are numbered. Did you not notice that even in the other gospel it mentioned the number of MEN (4000) and then just casually states that there were also women.

and in the events after Jesus heals a blind man and doesn't talk with his disciples right away (event),

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And so there must be two resurrections according to your rules of interpretation since there are pretty big differences in those accounts.

and Jesus is talking about miraculous signs not just a sign of the times like in Matthew's account. (message).

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This one is just amazing. sign of the times ??? Where was that one again ?
They BOTH give a VERY brief description of what they ask of Him....a sign from heaven....the EXACT phrase both times...yet somehow GC is able to discern that its NOT the same sort of sign being asked for.
It IS the same sign from heaven they request and it is the SAME event BOTH accounts. Ive already proven this fact.

I am no longer going to respond to your insulting insinuations. Good day.

Godschild87 said:

I am no longer going to respond to your insulting insinuations. Good day.

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You have a wonderful evening, GC.
Ill be sure to return you to my ignore list promptly.
Ive already forgotten why I went ahead and looked at your posts knowing you were on my ignore list.

God bless.
wm

HuntingMan said:

You have a wonderful evening, GC.
Ill be sure to return you to my ignore list promptly.
Ive already forgotten why I went ahead and looked at your posts knowing you were on my ignore list.

God bless.
wm

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When you do, be sure to jot a note down next to me:
-Doesn't like being insulted or framed
-Doesn't like empty claims

Godschild87 said:

When you do, be sure to jot a note down next to me:
-Doesn't like being insulted or framed
-Doesn't like empty claims

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Ill add to that
-Doesnt like hearing the facts or dealing with them and will reject them regardless of their validity.
-Doesnt like actually discuss the relevant point but everything else instead.

Ill have to think of some others.

Again, you have a wonderful evening

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Ill add to that
-Doesnt like hearing the facts or dealing with them and will reject them regardless of their validity.
-Doesnt like actually discuss the relevant point but everything else instead.

Ill have to think of some others.

Again, you have a wonderful evening

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You wish me a wonderful evening as you insult me and heap more baseless accusations on me?

Godschild87 said:

You wish me a wonderful evening as you insult me and heap more baseless accusations on me?

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My basis for anything presented against you here is from the material in your own posts in this very thread.
You dont have to like or agree with my assertions, but they are based on what Ive seen in your words here.

Are we finished yet or is this just about getting the last word ?

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Im starting to ponder the idea that you may not know what 'baseless' even means, GC.
My basis for anything presented against you here is from the material in your own posts in this very thread.
You dont have to like or agree with my assertions, but they are based on what Ive seen in your words here.

Are we finished yet or is this just about getting the last word ?

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Any way you slice it, you're insulting. And it's not just to me. Other users have noticed this as well. Ponder that. Good bye.

Godschild87 said:

Any way you slice it, you're insulting. And it's not just to me. Other users have noticed this as well. Ponder that. Good bye.

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When we can get back on topic give me a ring..

it was a great thread MP, I enjoyed the beginning of it.

Million Pieces said:

And this is why I didn't want this in this forum. thanks a lot, both of you, for utterly destroying a heartfelt question.

Mods, please close this immediately.

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I took a look at the last page of this thread and whoa boy :O my goodness, seems they were going at each other tooth and nail. I dont blame you Million Pieces for being upset with that and I for one am sorry that it happened.

Nadiine said:

it was a great thread MP, I enjoyed the beginning of it.

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You had your own part in this nadiine..dont even try it.

HuntingMan said:

You had your own part in this nadiine..dont even try it.

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you still can't quit HM.

honestly.

This was about the past 4-5 pages of completely off topic posts.
Our issue earlier pertained to this thread (someone elses post in
reply to the OP), and I had HOPED it wouldn't veer off from there, and I also signed off & stopped my replies altogether so it wouldn't
continue on.

& this shouldn't continue either, so I'm unsubscribing .

Nadiine said:

you still can't quit HM.

honestly.

This was about the past 4-5 pages of completely off topic posts.
Our issue earlier pertained to this thread (someone elses post in
reply to the OP), and I had HOPED it wouldn't veer off from there, and I also signed off & stopped my replies altogether so it wouldn't
continue on.

& this shouldn't continue either, so I'm unsubscribing .

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Sorry but I wanted to point out that you WERE part of derailing this thread. You seemed to have forgotten that part. Had you and GC allowed me to simply make a couple statements earlier that I felt to make then there wouldnt be 10 additional pages of train derailment here.
Yes, you stopped, but you surely came back to get in one last jab as tho YOU werent actually part of what occurred here. You were. Nuff said...

Million Pieces said:

And this is why I didn't want this in this forum. thanks a lot, both of you, for utterly destroying a heartfelt question.

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I think the question was answered MP. I did try to respond to it and make a couple other points that could have just been left alone by two others here since I wasnt originally speaking to either of them and already had them both on ignore.

I understand your reasoning for putting this thread in a non-debate area, but I can also understand why moderatoin moved this out of the forum you put it in. Those forums are for specific marriage issues with those who ARE in those positions. Your OP here honestly was a debate waiting to happen given the topic...and rightly so since you hit the nail on the head and its going to offend those who are in that position.

But again, the situation is created in many cases because in turning marriage over to caesar, we've allowed the rules to be manipulated by that godless government.
If it werent for these abominable 'licenses' a woman whose life is in danger could simply toss a handwritten bill of divorce at an abusive adulterer of a husband and be done with it...disappear if need be so shes not subjected to further threat of harm.

But thanks to the church caving in like a little girl in the matter and all of us getting our meaningless licenses, a woman now may have to come up with thousands of dollars she doesnt have and spend years trying to get that paperwork taken out of the way while she gets closer and closer to losing everything and being out on the streets if shes not already there to begin with.

In my own case, for instance, Im on disability so when my wife decided she wanted to be with another man for the rest of her life (supposedly) we were supposed to both pay half of the cost of the divorce.
Well she found it pretty comfortable to just live with the guy like they were married and refused to pay their half even tho they both had decent jobs.
I got stuck paying the entire thing. She cheats...she abandons the marriage...she is living with another man....and somehow *I* get stuck with the tab.

I see this sort of thing happen to women all the time...so frankly I can really understand that after 5 years of trying to get a divorce from a man who cant be found to sign the divorce papers why a woman deprived of love for her entire marriage whos been thru yet another half decade of torment might actually get involved with someone who ends up being good to her.
Shes declared her intent to divorce....shes filed the paperwork.....the courts know shes just waiting for the final day when shes no longer married to the animal who beat and cheated on her then abandoned her....so its just a matter of paperwork being signed and dollars exchanging hands.


Not that its ok to ever have sex outside marriage....that is absolutely wrong. Im just not so sure I agree with the way things are set up....what the church has alllowed to happen with Gods marriages. A woman whose husband has deserted her for someone else ought not have to go thru so many hoops before she can get her life back....kwim ?

Well, Nadiine,
I find quite a few people that love Jesus as much now as they ever have. But other people say they are strayin from Him. I personally accept a person's testimony over someone who doesn't know their heart saying they are straying from God. Of course its God who really knows where their heart is.
dayhiker

Nadiine said:

how can God work in people who have strayed from Him & refuse
His instruction?
The source is not following God in the first place as I view this.

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Million Pieces said:

And this is why I didn't want this in this forum. thanks a lot, both of you, for utterly destroying a heartfelt question.

Mods, please close this immediately.

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I only read the first page and a few of the last. As in many forums, we have members here that forget that Christ command was to love and to deal in love. Instead, you get so much in fighting, it's shameful to the command God has given us. I pretty much stop coming here, because people would rather be right, than please God.

I agree with your first statement. I have played both sides of the fence..far from perfect. Have had many failed relationships, until I met my last wife.

We were both mid 30's, I had been divorced for almost a year..had been playing the field. Then I met her. She made it clear it would be long time before I would be playing in any field of hers. I found this so attractive. Instead of quick sex, we spent almost a year getting to know each other.

I think back to all night talks on the back porch where we learned one another. She was blessed with looks, but had morals that matched.

No, we didn't make it to marriage, but by the time we did we knew this was for life. I realized that most of my past relationships failed because sex came before love. You feel in love, but even when you see the signs of coming failure, you convince yourself love will get you through..it seldom does, because you never truly took time to learn the person mind and spirit before body.

Don't be run off by those who just live on this board to rant...it's just a way of life for them. Rather chose to move forward and make relationships with those here that seek to operate in the love of Christ.

dayhiker said:

Well, Nadiine,
I find quite a few people that love Jesus as much now as they ever have. But other people say they are strayin from Him. I personally accept a person's testimony over someone who doesn't know their heart saying they are straying from God. Of course its God who really knows where their heart is.
dayhiker

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Yes God will deal with those who aren't actually His - it's certainly not
my job to interrogate people & put stickers on their foreheads....
but by the lifestyles combined with bad doctrines of many I see anymore who make claims to Christ but live in chronic sin & preach a different gospel (even denying His Word is true), I just stay on my guard as I was told to do.