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It is good to paint her house,
It is good to vacuum her rug
IT is good to fix her mailbox
It is good to take her out for a meal
It is good to read a nice history about George Washington to her
But all that can be done six days of the week.
Yet Christ says it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.
mowing the law, or other servant-led tasks may give you access to an individual (through relationship) who otherwise wouldn't listen. Paul tells us "I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings." What's Paul's goal? it's not "doing all things" (i.e. cutting grass), doing all things is a mechanism to reach the goal, the goal is "so that by all possible means I might save some". knocking on someone's door and directly telling the gospel may work sometimes, but often times it's unwanted even to the point that people become hostile. If that approach causes the person to move away from Christ, and even become hostile to the gospel, we need to find another approach. However, something like cutting grass or another servant-led task may have a different outcome.Mowing the lawn, is not the same as spreading the gospel.
I think you missed something here. Christ tells us it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. So if said action is good, it is lawful (ergo not sin). Thus I'm suggesting to only teach lawful actions and never once claimed unlawful actions. I get you may disagree with me, but you must see how simply claiming it's sinful is not really engaging the point. As per Christ, if it's good, it's lawful. Can you point to the flaw in this logic without just labeling it as sinful or man's wisdom? Anyone can say those things (I can fire it right back at you) but they are meaningless without critical engagement.If we teach them by our actions to continue in sin we have saved nothing.
....and pulling sheep out of pits. Christ uses these as a segue to show that goodness breaks through the sabbath divide and even explicitly concludes in v12 "Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath". He did not stop at healing, or to save life, he said it is lawful to do good. You are reducing Christ's comments back to his explicit examples when he very clearly uses a word above these examples to show that goodness itself is lawful. But regardless even if you demand the explicit examples what exactly to you think pulling sheep out of pit is? saving sheep biblical speaking is the most obvious hint that Christ is not actually talking about sheep, he's talking about salvation. So how do we pull souls out of spiritual pits they themselves are unable to get out of? Have you every tried showing love and kindness to people? it works, and breaks through the heart, and gives you access to be able to speak the gospel. The goal is sharing the gospel, or pulling sheep out of pits. What part of what do you disagree with?No doubt it is good to heal the sick and worship God on Sabbath.
But Christ did not say "any good act you can think of is appropriate for the Sabbath" -- thank God.
He was very specifically speaking of His miracle of healing the sick - something the OT never condemned.
I think you missed something here. Christ tells us it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. So if said action is a sin it is not good. Thus we are suggesting to only teach lawful actions and never claimed unlawful actions as per Scripture and not our own surmising. I get you may disagree, but you must see how simply claiming it's good is not really engaging the point. As per God what sin is, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: But as per Christ through God, if it's good, it's lawful as per HIS EXAMPLE. For it is written, He healed and spoke of not ignoring emergencies and things that are needful. For He said, , Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day? And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go; And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day? Or on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?I think you missed something here. Christ tells us it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. So if said action is good, it is lawful (ergo not sin). Thus I'm suggesting to only teach lawful actions and never once claimed unlawful actions. I get you may disagree with me, but you must see how simply claiming it's sinful is not really engaging the point. As per Christ, if it's good, it's lawful. Can you point to the flaw in this logic without just labeling it as sinful or man's wisdom? Anyone can say those things (I can fire it right back at you) but they are meaningless without critical engagement.
The Mission is to lead to Christ who saves us from a life of sinning through His indwelling. So if we use sin to try to show Christ and His Way, we are not actually showing Christ and His Way we are showing them us and our way. In that they will be worse off than they were before. In that they will think they are and in reality they are not. For they will still be in their sin. Because the one who try to lead did so in their own surmising and will, and not through Christ.To the one who voted that helping a disabled widow by cutting her grass is not good. I appreciate their dedication to consistency however it exposes a glaring problem creating a holy/secular divide between things that can be done on the Sabbath and everything else. The everything else is where the lost is so by forcing this divide we estrange ourself to our mission.
mowing the law, or other servant-led tasks may give you access to an individual (through relationship) who otherwise wouldn't listen. Paul tells us "I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings." What's Paul's goal? it's not "doing all things" (i.e. cutting grass), doing all things is a mechanism to reach the goal, the goal is "so that by all possible means I might save some". knocking on someone's door and directly telling the gospel may work sometimes, but often times it's unwanted even to the point that people become hostile. If that approach causes the person to move away from Christ, and even become hostile to the gospel, we need to find another approach. However, something like cutting grass or another servant-led task may have a different outcome.
Jesus said the Sabbath was made for humans, He could have said Jew but didn’t . Mark 2:27No. Jews were told that.
The context is that a man was not supposed to be a slave to Sabbath (it was made for men, not men for Sabbath).Jesus said the Sabbath was made for humans, He could have said Jew but didn’t . Mark 2:27
All flesh will come before the Lord from one Sabbath to another to worship thus saith the Lord. He could have said all Jews but didn’t.
You will not find one scripture that’s says the Sabbath is the holy day of the Jews , but He didn’t He said the Sabbath is My holy day Isaiah 58:13 and we are to follow Him.
I choose to believe the Words of our Lord.
man,The context is that a man was not supposed to be a slave to Sabbath (it was made for men, not men for Sabbath).
You are bending the verse to mean something that is not found in the context (that it was given to all humanity).
Edit: checking the Greek, I would even say the man in the verse means Jesus, not a group of people
Yup, its singular. And Jesus frequently identified Himself with this word.man,
ἄνθρωπον (anthrōpon)
Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's 444: A man, one of the human race. From aner and ops; man-faced, i.e. A human being.
Slave is not used in the Words Jesus spoke, so I wouldn’t add what is not there.
A human-being is not the word for Jew which is what you inserted there. I'm a human-being and I am assuming you are too, therefore the Sabbath is made for us.Yup, its singular. And Jesus frequently identified Himself with this word.
Anyway, the context is nothing even remotely related to your usage of the verse.
Whatever, we can brainstorm what the word means here all day, however, the main point is that the context is nothing related to your usage of the verse.A human-being is not the word for Jew which is what you inserted there. I'm a human-being and I am assuming you are too, therefore the Sabbath is made for us.
I understand this passage, which does not say anything about the Sabbath being made for Jews. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath because He created everything including the Sabbath that He said to keep holy. Exodus 20:8Whatever, we can brainstorm what the word means here all day, however, the main point is that the context is nothing related to your usage of the verse.
The teaching "its for the whole humanity forever" you are trying to bend it to mean is totally foreign to the issue the text is about.
One Sabbath Jesus was passing through the grainfields, and His disciples began to pick the heads of grain as they walked along. So the Pharisees said to Him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”
Jesus replied, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? During the high priesthood of Abiathar, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which was lawful only for the priests. And he gave some to his companions as well.”
Then Jesus declared, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
If you understood the passage, you would not try to force the verse to mean something the context is not about.I understand this passage, which does not say anything about the Sabbath being made for Jews. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath because He created everything including the Sabbath that He said to keep holy. Exodus 20:8
The exact Words of Jesus needs no edits.I understand this passage, which does not say anything about the Sabbath being made for Jews. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath because He created everything including the Sabbath that He said to keep holy. Exodus 20:8
But they need context.The exact Words of Jesus needs no edits.
Agreed, not what Jesus said. The Sabbath was made for man- not just JewsBut they need context.
And the context was not "is Sabbath for all or just for Jews",
The Pharisees were adding their rules to God's commandments and was making the Sabbath a burden when it's meant to be a delight. Isaiah 58:13-14 There is no law that one cannot eat on the Sabbath. Jesus was correcting them on how to keep the Sabbath, that Jesus said was made for humans and Jesus is Lord of, so He knows who it was made for and the purpose of the Sabbath and how to correctly keep it and not once ever mentioning it was no longer to be kept.the context was "why do your [Jesus] disciples do what is not allowed on Sabbath".
Jesus knows what He is doing. He knew people would come after His Sabbath and would make one argument after another on why it doesn't apply to them. Your argument that the Sabbath commandment does not apply to you (gentile), Jesus made this abundantly clear it does in Mark 2:27 Isaiah 56:6-7, Isaiah 66:22-23 and even in the Sabbath commandment where it singles out foreigners Exodus 20:8-11You took just half of one sentence and used it in a totally out-of-context way.
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