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Hello Bob.
May I ask you for your informed opinion on a text in the New Testament?
Here is the text.
Acts 15
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials,
29 that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from
fornication. If you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.
The Gentiles were instructed by the apostles to abstain from blood.
Lev 17 does indeed make that command against eating blood. And Acts 15 does affirm it. in Genesis 7 Noah takes in the unclean animals by two's and the clean by 7's. Noah is not a Jew.
But circumcision was just for Jews. Ephesians two points out that it is the dividing wall between the two groups - and even the non-Christian Jews refer to gentiles according to Ephesians 2 as the "non circumcised".
In Acts 13 it is gentiles that are showing up "Sabbath after Sabbath" in the Synagogue for gospel preaching.
In Acts 17:4 it is the gentiles that show up in the synagogue "Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath" for gospel preaching.
In Acts 18:4 it is the gentiles that show up "every Sabbath" in the synagogue.
Acts 15 does not say "do not take God's name in vain" as we both know. So how interesting that Lev 17 is being upheld in Acts 15 - but the command against "taking God's name in vain" is not mentioned at all.
A sure sign that Acts 15 is not "deleting all of the Bible"
Acts 17:11 "they studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by Paul -- were so".
instead of 'they deleted the scriptures daily as Paul instructed".
(Regarding Acts 15 - and Leviticus 17 prohibiting the eating of blood)
Correct, there can be no doubt that the apostles in Jerusalem have enforced this rule on blood.
Does your church enforce the decree of the apostles or not, Bob?
My church teaches that everyone should be vegetarians and that eating blood is bad.
Is this what you were asking?
Does this prove the OT has been deleted?
...Hello Bob.
We are making some progress now, thank you for your honesty.
This reply of yours is exactly what I was asking for Bob.
Though the decree of the SDA church is not what the scripture teaches us Bob.
Here is what the scripture teaches.
Genesis 9
3 Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.
4 Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
Meat is on the menu (every moving thing), but you must drain the blood before eating it.
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As for Genesis 1 not being in scripture.
Here is what Genesis 1 says -
Gen 1
27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food”
We don't have the same "delete scripture" model that you seem to be using.
Notice that the Genesis 1 command - does not negate or delete Lev 16 - it fully conforms to it by not allowing any case for eating animal blood. Is this why you consider it against scripture?
1 Cor 3
16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
Eating meat today leads to increase risk for heart disease, obesity, cancer, diabetes.
"Eating meat kills more people than previously thought"
(NewsTarget) There is no more denying it. Meat contains highly toxic substances that are responsible for many deaths and diseases. Heavy meat consumption increases your risk of dying from all causes, including heart disease and cancer, according to a federal study conducted by the National Cancer Institute and featured in Archives of Internal Medicine on Monday.
http://www.naturalnews.com/025957_meat_eating_cancer.html
This is not considered the 11th commandment in the SDA church by any means - but we do not suggest turning a blind eye to the facts of nature or the responsibility you have not to drink or eat poison.
some plants are poison - we don't recommend those either.
Now back to Eph 6:2 - see next post.
Hello Bob.
Your not being entirely truthful Bob.
Hi David - I have to admit I do prefer to think of myself as being entirely truthful.
Historically, we have learned that everything is toxic;
David -- really. Misdirection again?
What we do know is some plants are edible and others are poison. I think we can take that to the bank - and most school children would agree with us on that point.
If you want to argue that all plants kill and all foods are poison, all are toxic... I will let you start a thread on that topic and wage that lonely war as you wish.
Next you will be telling us that if you drink 20 gallons of fresh water in 5 minutes you will die - so water is also toxic and nothing should be considered off limits since we all drink water.
For now - I am just going to stick with the obvious common sense statements as I have given them.
it is only the dose that separates the toxic
from the non-toxic. Even water is toxic if a large amount (4–5 liters) is consumed.
oh no wait! you just did do that!! hahaha - that is pretty funny!
thanks.
meat is only harmful if eaten in 'heavy'
quantities.
By contrast we have --
http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk
Meat Consumption and Cancer Risk
The World Health Organization has determined that dietary factors account for at least 30 percent of all cancers in Western countries and up to 20 percent in developing countries. When cancer researchers started to search for links between diet and cancer, one of the most noticeable findings was that people who avoided meat were much less likely to develop the disease. Large studies in England and Germany showed that vegetarians were about 40 percent less likely to develop cancer compared to meat eaters.1-3 In the United States, researchers studied Seventh-day Adventists, a religious group that is remarkable because, although nearly all members avoid tobacco and alcohol and follow generally healthful lifestyles, about half of the Adventist population is vegetarian, while the other half consumes modest amounts of meat.
This fact allowed scientists to separate the effects of eating meat from other factors. Overall, these studies showed significant reductions in cancer risk among those who avoided meat.4 In contrast, Harvard studies showed that daily meat eaters have approximately three times the colon cancer risk, compared to those who rarely eat meat.
A number of hypotheses have been advanced to explain the connection between meat consumption and cancer risk. First, meat is devoid of fiber and other nutrients that have a protective effect. Meat also contains animal protein, saturated fat, and, in some cases, carcinogenic compounds such as heterocyclic amines (HCA) and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) formed during the processing or cooking of meat. HCAs, formed as meat is cooked at high temperatures, and PAHs, formed during the burning of organic substances, are believed to increase cancer risk. In addition, the high fat content of meat and other animal products increases hormone production, thus increasing the risk of hormone-related cancers such as breast and prostate cancer.
In 2007, the American Institute for Cancer Research (AICR) published their second review of the major studies on food, nutrition, and cancer prevention. For cancers of the oesophagus, lung, pancreas, stomach, collorectum, endometrium, and prostate, it was determined that red meat (beef, pork, or lamb) and processed meat consumption possibly increased cancer risk. For colorectal cancer, a review of the literature determined that there is convincing scientific evidence that red meat increased cancer risk and that processed meat, saturated/animal fat, and heavily cooked meat were also convincing of increased risk.5