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I am opposed to killing, but I suppose listening to and enjoying Nickelback is just about as good a reason as any for killing someone.
so, you think it is un-Christian to provide for one's family by not dying senselessly. . . okay. Can you cite a verse that suggests throwing one's (bodily) life away, for no good cause?
Well, it is a take on the Good Samaritan formed by asking the question "what would the moral obligation have been had the passers by arrived during the beating and robbing rather than after?" wouldn't the first two still be condemned for passing on the far side of the road and doing nothing?
Additionally, I'd ask you what John the Baptist advised the two soldiers that asked what they should do after repenting? Do you recall? Did Jesus ever contradict this teaching? In another thread I told the following anecdote:
So back to defensive gun uses. . . . the thing about a defensive gun use is, the trigger doesn't have to get pulled to count. I know when that little waitress was getting slapped around and the thugs were getting ready to gang rape her, they chose to leave rather than get shot. I was there. I was the one who said "NOT in MY neighborhood _____ _________ (insert expletive)" and had the gun in my hand. Did I need a gun? Well, I may be 6'3" and built like an MMA fighter & versed in a bunch of unarmed fighting styles . . . but against 5 thugs who might (yeah right, like none of them would at least have a knife) be armed. Seriously. I knew the response time for 911 was over twenty minutes because it wasn't a white neighborhood & I'd seen calls even for the drive-by shootings that took that long to get a response. That girl needed some help a bit quicker than I was going to get a response to the call. Okay? You still with me? Thing is, the thugs left and I went back inside, watched over the girl with a scoped rifle til she caught the bus she'd been waiting on. I doubt she reported the assault, she didn't speak English and worked at the taco joint down the block. Did a crime get stopped? Well, they were slapping her around and had her pants off her hips by the time I made it to the street. Did it get reported? I didn't report it. Did the probably illegal alien waitress? Thing is. . . stuff like that happens all the time.
Yes. Look at how Jesus is described in Revelations.
I have never heard it used to justify killing, yet every Christian pacifist presumes that God wants them to be martyrs and they should take any opportunity to die that is presented in hopes of getting one of those fancy robes.
Christ's mission was a little specific (sarcastic, it was VERY specific) being like Christ is groovy, operating under the delusion that dying just to die honors Him is. . . whack.
Parable of the talents. Good reading. Looking for a way out (of life) instead of doing the appointed work is like the servant who hid his talent and was afraid. . . . how did that story end again? Hey, just cause I read parables and pay attention to the words of Jesus, doesn't mean I am right. . . someone with a completely scripturally unfounded view could be right instead.
It is not our place, as believers, to decide when a person's life is to end.
I was presented with a question asking me if I would take another person's life, no, I would not even in cases of suffering.I could not agree more. It's not your place to decide at what point another person choses a swift death over a lingering one. It, should be, their choice not yours.
Not being willing to protect innocents because one fears offending God by doing what it takes to stop vicious felons, requires one to latch on to the "turn the other cheek" passage, misread its scope and then toss out the rest of the book. How many times in scripture is it clarified that YES! we are our neighbors keeper? And yeah killing is extreme & most of the time felons run when confronted . . . but willingness to kill to protect innocents is more in harmony with a reading of the whole Bible.I do not want to put words in your mouth, so let me be sure I have your position right. Do you believe that not killing someone in self-defense or in defense of others is "scripturally unfounded?"
A pacifist always throws their life away senselessly. If the bad guys run out of bullets they are perfectly happy to bludgeon the remainder like baby seals.I believe our dispute is likely over the term "senselessly." I have not suggested that throwing one's life away for any cause is good.
I gave you a real life anecdote. You wanna know why I went out there after asking my bedmate to call 911? I went out because if that was my wife or little girl about to get gang raped I would want someone to do something. I can't admit wishing someone would do something and then not be willing to do something for someone else's wife or daughter . . . that'd be hypocrisy.And I have not suggested that they should have passed by without helping. I suggested that they should not have killed the robbers, and I do not believe that the parable can be taken to instruct Christians to kill. It is a parable instructing us as to the meaning of "neighbor."
Care to clarify? Please. When you said "This is a response I would expect from a non-Christian, but I find it surprising from a Christian. " I got the impression you were advocating capitulation to any ole felon that comes along. Pacifist style.You are perhaps not gauging my position properly. I never suggested that we disarm.
Did Jesus have kids? Did Jesus have a wife? Your answers to those questions should start getting the wheels turning on why being Christ-like and capitulating to any ole felon are not the same thing. Here is a clue word: Responsibility.Dying just to die really makes no sense to me. I do not even know what you mean by the statement. Christ's mission was very specific, and one of the goals of the mission was to teach us how to live. His refusal to kill people who threatened Him does not seem like the kinda thing to be omitted by those seeking to imitate His example.
Well from what I undestand of the Bible, isn't Jesus(PBUH) supposed to come back and kill all the evil ones, ala, genocide.As a Christian, I do not believe it is ever acceptable for one person to kill another person. What are your thoughts?
Is it acceptable to kill another? Yes it is, for sur.Is it ever acceptable (moral, good, etc.) to take a person's life?
Self-defense, saving innocent people's lives, the death penalty, etc.... I could go on and on about this for sure. If I kill someone who is assaulting me or someone else, that's justified. You think just because we are humans, that we are supposed to just roll over and take it?If you think/believe it can be acceptable, under what circumstances would it be permitted?
Self defense and/or if they listen to Nickelback.
Well from what I undestand of the Bible, isn't Jesus(PBUH) supposed to come back and kill all the evil ones, ala, genocide.
Is it acceptable to kill another? Yes it is, for sur.
Self-defense, saving innocent people's lives, the death penalty, etc.... I could go on and on about this for sure. If I kill someone who is assaulting me or someone else, that's justified. You think just because we are humans, that we are supposed to just roll over and take it?
Remember that next time you kill a bugGod gives life and takes it, there is no other being that should have that right.
Remember that next time you kill a bug
SMH. Probably one of the biggest lies I've ever readI don't kill bugs.
SMH. Probably one of the biggest lies I've ever read
I'm pretty sure God is going to forgive me allot quicker for saving innocent lives, instead of standing there and allowing them to die because I wanted to "feel good" about not getting blood on my hands.The bottom line is taking another person's life is not our place or right.
I'm pretty sure God is going to forgive me allot quicker for saving innocent lives, instead of standing there and allowing them to die because I wanted to "feel good" about not getting blood on my hands.
You are now justifying yourself in your claim that it would be justifiable to God, it's what Americans do best, " in the name of God".
Like I added to my last post, killing a bug versus a spiritual l being is ridiculous to compare.
The bottom line is taking another person's life is not our place or right.
Not being willing to protect innocents because one fears offending God by doing what it takes to stop vicious felons, requires one to latch on to the "turn the other cheek" passage, misread its scope and then toss out the rest of the book. How many times in scripture is it clarified that YES! we are our neighbors keeper? And yeah killing is extreme & most of the time felons run when confronted . . . but willingness to kill to protect innocents is more in harmony with a reading of the whole Bible.
A pacifist always throws their life away senselessly. If the bad guys run out of bullets they are perfectly happy to bludgeon the remainder like baby seals.
I gave you a real life anecdote. You wanna know why I went out there after asking my bedmate to call 911? I went out because if that was my wife or little girl about to get gang raped I would want someone to do something. I can't admit wishing someone would do something and then not be willing to do something for someone else's wife or daughter . . . that'd be hypocrisy.
Care to clarify? Please. When you said "This is a response I would expect from a non-Christian, but I find it surprising from a Christian. " I got the impression you were advocating capitulation to any ole felon that comes along. Pacifist style.
Did Jesus have kids? Did Jesus have a wife? Your answers to those questions should start getting the wheels turning on why being Christ-like and capitulating to any ole felon are not the same thing. Here is a clue word: Responsibility.
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