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ziggy29 said:It's also possible that those who are hiding from a gunman on a rampage are praying that God will bring them someone who will put an end to the perp's killing spree before anyone else gets hurt, and choosing to believe that He will.
It works both ways.
We do not know the orbital time of Pluto, at least not that I am aware of, but we make guesses as to the time span using what we think or what we do know, if there is anything.
Certainty is a lot to ask, of that we agree, but I do not think that it is too much to ask.
I try to avoid labeling things as facts without certainty, but I do not require facts in order to live.
I am perfectly happy living by guesses
which seem to be correct, until a better guess comes along.
Facts are illusive, but that does not mean that they are unobtainable. I suggest that we reserve the word "fact" for those things that we do "know."
Through God all things are possible, if you believe.
You are the one who said "kill" here, not me. I merely said "put an end to it." Not all perps were stopped by being killed. That said, there's also something to be said for the old saying, "all that's necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."I do not believe God would direct anyone to kill.
ziggy29 said:You are the one who said "kill" here, not me. I merely said "put an end to it." Not all perps were stopped by being killed. That said, there's also something to be said for the old saying, "all that's necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
I do not believe God would direct anyone to kill.
You might call that a false equivalency. It would also be true that you're ignoring other Scriptures in order to arrive at your point! At least in my Country, Christians are not prohibited from taking part in government.
You may have a conviction not to serve in the military or as a cop. I certainly never could, and I've never even touched a gun. Neither you nor I have the right to inflict that conviction upon anyone else.
Well since no-one joins the police with the intention of killing anyone then your latter point only makes sense is what you really mean is Christians should be police officers period. But then do you call the police if something is happening to your family or your neighbours - do you give evidence in court?neither should they be cops if they kill people.
That's precisely part of the point. I can't completely fix a broken system, though a prefer a less broken one than a more broken one. After 10 years in Australia I'm still very uncomfortable with police carrying guns as a matter of course. I would hate to live in the US.
I can choose my choices only within the context I'm given.
The situation under discussion was clear: a person intent on mowing down an innocent crowd, with gunfire. You're going to try reasoning with him?
People will be doing humanity a great favor if they can ever develop non lethal weapons that are at least in the same general arena of effectiveness as handguns are currently for police to use. In the future we not be seeing as many police inflicted causalities if we do the proper research and funding.
The chances of survival after being tazed are a lot higher than surviving a gunshot wound. That's why people volunteer to be tazed all the time but few people have a cop blast them in the chest with a 9mm for demonstration.The taser is here already. How many have died from it?
That's why I think there is still work to be done before less than lethal weapons can approach the effectiveness of a standard police handgun or rifle. There has been a lot of growth in the field and I think it's only a matter of time before we come across real game changers though. I think it's worth researching. The military has been sinking a lot of money into less than lethal research as well. Sonic weapons, microwave, etc. Some of the LTL I've seen on the program Future Weapon are amazing.And while it has been suggested for use in schools to stop mass shootings, I doubt its a good application for that.
The chances of survival after being tazed are a lot higher than surviving a gunshot wound.
But seriously, didn't somebody die from being tazed not too long ago?
Apparently Israel uses "sonic grenades". Any idea what they are?
Well since no-one joins the police with the intention of killing anyone then your latter point only makes sense is what you really mean is Christians should be police officers period. But then do you call the police if something is happening to your family or your neighbours - do you give evidence in court?
C.S. Lewis pointed out that one of the very few people Christ Praised was a Centurian, a soldier. Someone whose job it is to kill.
Somehow people seem to forget this. And when asked by those with potentialy violent jobs Christ DID NOT say they needed to quit their profession, but rather to do it justly.
But then it seems some 'christians' know better than their Christ.
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