Is it Aviv yet?

[Lulav]

A thought came to me today, and I'd forgotten to check this out before, but I sourced a few websites and found that some barley watchers have said that they found Aviv barley and have already kept the Passover.

I found Nehemia Gordons report live from Israel and he says that the Barley wasn't in Aviv when checked before the last new moon but is now and that Tomorrow April 8 2016 on the Secular calendar is the first new moon, or first day of the month (which is also a Sabbath).

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154167644148629

I got to thinking, Are we supposed to go by what happens in the land of Israel to tell this time, or should we actually be going by where the Passover originally was?

There was only 1 Passover, yep that's right, ONE Passover, every year after is a remembrance of that day.

And it happened in Egypt.

Now does Barley grow at the same rate in Egypt as in Israel? Are the conditions the same?

Either way Rosh Codesh will be tomorrow.

Perhaps this is why there was the codicil of adding a second Passover for those who missed the first one?


Numbers 9:11

9 And the L-RD spake unto Moses, saying,
10 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the L-RD.
11 The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.


2 Chronicles 30

1 And Hezekiah sent to all Israel and Judah, and wrote letters also to Ephraim and Manasseh, that they should come to the house of the L-RD at Jerusalem, to keep the passover unto the L-RD God of Israel.
2 For the king had taken counsel, and his princes, and all the congregation in Jerusalem, to keep the passover in the second month.
3 For they could not keep it at that time, because the priests had not sanctified themselves sufficiently, neither had the people gathered themselves together to Jerusalem.
4 And the thing pleased the king and all the congregation.
5 So they established a decree to make proclamation throughout all Israel, from Beersheba even to Dan, that they should come to keep the passover unto the L-RD God of Israel at Jerusalem: for they had not done it of a long time in such sort as it was written.

 

[SilverAvenger]

I beleave that's one of the reasons of the secound chanse for Passover. Our ancestors, scattered all over the world in a time with no internet would not be able to keep up with the Aviv searches in Israel back then.

Although I don't think we should conduct the Aviv searcher in Egypt. After all, aren't jews commanded not to live in the land of Egypt?

 

[Lulav]

Many don't live in Israel but travel there to see the Barley, same could be done about Egypt.

Some things I found about the ancient crops in Egypt:

When the Nile is overflowing, it floods the Delta and the lands called Libyan and Arabian, for a distance of a journey of two days from both banks in places, and sometimes, sometimes less. I could not learn anything about its nature, neither from the priests or from anyone else. I was curious to learn why the Nile is flooding for a hundred days from the summer solstice; and when this time is passed, sinks again, and the river is low during the whole winter until the summer solstice again.Herodotus, Histories 2,19

Deuteronomy 11:10 For the land, whither thou goest in to possess it, is not as the land of Egypt, from whence ye came out, where thou sowedst thy seed, and wateredst it with thy foot, as a garden of herbs: 11 But the land, whither ye go to possess it, is a land of hills and valleys, and drinketh water of the rain of heaven:

In Egypt, we find barley cut at the end of six months, and wheat at the end of seven, from the time of sowing.
Pliny the Elder, Natural History, Book XVIII, chap. 10

The harvest generally took place shortly before the beginning of the next flooding, about in May or June, at times in April.

With the natural flooding and draining of the floodplain, the annual inundation permitted a single crop-season over two-thirds of the alluvial ground.

 

[EPHESIANS6:10-11]

I hope you all have a good Aviv

 

[Hoshiyya]

"some barley watchers have said that they found Aviv barley and have already kept the Passover."

Impossible. It is now 29th of Adar Beth.

Passover is when the calendar says so. Everything else, well, leads to questions upon questions, without anyone having authority to answer, because even asking the questions assumes that there is no authority.

When we ask questions to people we impute no authority to, we're sort of hoping that God will answer through one of these people, while reserving the right to reject what they say (and thus possibly rejecting what he says through them), since they are just people without authority, after all.

This applies to many threads and users, I'm not singling out this one.

I often see threads where I read the OP and feel like saying:

What answer would you most like to hear ?

That is probably the answer that is most intellectually gainful and interesting for your to consider right now, even if it turns out to not be true answer.

I guess you're not interested in being pointed to the Traditional calendar and its merits. I kept a non-Traditional calendar, based on the observations of one Avraham Yehoshua, for a brief while, before returning to the Traditional one, so it's not something unfamiliar to me. I don't know that I really benefited from it, but it is very clear that God teaches us gradually and causes us to mature at a slow pace. God leads people through different religious phases, causing them to mature from one doctrine or praxis or affiliation to the next, even leading Jethro through 70 different religions.

There are probably many things God wants me to contemplate or learn from right now, that will become obsolete or ungainful in my future, or that would have been inapplicable or incomprehensible in my past.

Rant cap off

 

[Hoshiyya]

To answer directly, scripture says "do not return to Egypt."

To keep Passover based on the Egyptian natural cycle would require sending scouts to Egypt every year, and have them travel back. It wouldn't be practical in ancient times, and hence would not be God's eternal law.

There's no record of such a praxis. It might actually be more doable than it first appears, but there's just no reason to think it was ever done. If this was a historical thing, we would have heard about it.