Is It A Sin to touch?

[djbcrawford]

I see. Interesting. This is the second time I've stumbled across God (or a representative of Him) on the Internet, apparently. I lead a strange life.

You could argue that, technically, this being a Christian forum, you should meet thousands of God's representative's on the internet...

 

[threeinone]

You could argue that, technically, this being a Christian forum, you should meet thousands of God's representative's on the internet...

Ah yes indeed dj

Unfortunately all of these thousands of representatives of God are seeming to clash as to how God operates, different needs, different beliefs. Shouldn't there perhaps be a bit more agreement from representatives of the same power

 

[Gukkor]

Ah yes indeed dj

Unfortunately all of these thousands of representatives of God are seeming to clash as to how God operates, different needs, different beliefs. Shouldn't there perhaps be a bit more agreement from representatives of the same power

That wouldn't be as entertaining, though. See, I'm firmly convinced that God created humanity to serve as the comic relief of the cosmos. Some of the stuff we argue about...I can only imagine that higher beings watch us debate in the same way that we watch sitcoms.

 

[threeinone]

That wouldn't be as entertaining, though. See, I'm firmly convinced that God created humanity to serve as the comic relief of the cosmos. Some of the stuff we argue about...I can only imagine that higher beings watch us debate in the same way that we watch sitcoms.

LOLGukkor

YOu do make me laugh. I know God is. And I know God is here with me and is indeed wonderful. And then there are times I feel like we were created for His amusement and He is indeed chuckling at our constant bickering over who is right. I figure God created us as individuals and He deals with us as individuals. What say you?

 

[MezzaMorta]

How can something that is beneficial to your body and mind be a sin?

 

[sancarlos]

How did the Israel/ Palestine question get in this thread?

 

[sancarlos]

LOLGukkor

YOu do make me laugh. I know God is. And I know God is here with me and is indeed wonderful. And then there are times I feel like we were created for His amusement and He is indeed chuckling at our constant bickering over who is right. I figure God created us as individuals and He deals with us as individuals. What say you?

He created us for His glory, threeinone, not His amusement. You see, to muse= to think; amuse= not to think. God is not like us, He does not need amusement. Not to say He doesn't have a sense of humor!

 

[threeinone]

He created us for His glory, threeinone, not His amusement. You see, to muse= to think; amuse= not to think. God is not like us, He does not need amusement. Not to say He doesn't have a sense of humor!

The amusement part I was spoofing. I was quite serious that He creates us as individuals and deals with us as individuals.

 

[Gukkor]

He created us for His glory, threeinone, not His amusement. You see, to muse= to think; amuse= not to think. God is not like us, He does not need amusement. Not to say He doesn't have a sense of humor!

Actually, if you really want to turn this back into a serious discussion (which I suppose would be for the best anyway ), I'd say that God created us for reasons that are mostly or completely incomprehensible to us, much as how a dog lacks the ability to comprehend his position as a pet. Perhaps God needs no amusement, but then in a strict sense, He doesn't need glory either. God doesn't need anything, and this is partially why we'll never understand His purpose in creating. We create out of two motivations: need and desire. God literally has no needs, and while He does "want" certain things for us, He certainly doesn't desire things in the same way that we do.

 

[threeinone]

Actually, if you really want to turn this back into a serious discussion (which I suppose would be for the best anyway ), I'd say that God created us for reasons that are mostly or completely incomprehensible to us, much as how a dog lacks the ability to comprehend his position as a pet. Perhaps God needs no amusement, but then in a strict sense, He doesn't need glory either. God doesn't need anything, and this is partially why we'll never understand His purpose in creating. We create out of two motivations: need and desire. God literally has no needs, and while He does "want" certain things for us, He certainly doesn't desire things in the same way that we do.

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[SIZE=-1]We are here on earth for God. We are not here for ourselves or for money, or for anything or anyone else. God created us for Himself; for His pleasure and glory. God created us with the capacity to know Him, love Him and obey Him forever! Yes…forever! The Eternal God has given each of us an eternal soul. It is God's will that we have a deep and wonderful relationship with Him today, tomorrow and throughout eternity. It is for this reason that God created man in His own image. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]We bid you farewell with this verse from the Holy Scriptures which reminds us of God's intention for man: "The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength!"[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] (Mark[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1]I believe this to be true. However, I sometimes find it difficult to think that my only reason for existing i s for God's glory. I know that should be enough and it is, sort of. I would just like to know that I am, myself, a reason to be. I'm not sure that even makes sense to me.
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[Gukkor]

[SIZE=-1]Somewhere I read something like this.
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[SIZE=-1]We are here on earth for God. We are not here for ourselves or for money, or for anything or anyone else. God created us for Himself; for His pleasure and glory. God created us with the capacity to know Him, love Him and obey Him forever! Yes…forever! The Eternal God has given each of us an eternal soul. It is God's will that we have a deep and wonderful relationship with Him today, tomorrow and throughout eternity. It is for this reason that God created man in His own image. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]We bid you farewell with this verse from the Holy Scriptures which reminds us of God's intention for man: "The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength!"[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] (Mark[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]12:29,30)[/SIZE]


[SIZE=-1]I believe this to be true. However, I sometimes find it difficult to think that my only reason for existing i s for God's glory. I know that should be enough and it is, sort of. I would just like to know that I am, myself, a reason to be. I'm not sure that even makes sense to me.
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I understand what you're saying, as this feeling has always been extremely strong in me, almost like it has a will of its own (my cross to bear, if you will). It's the struggle between our own personal sense of identity and purpose and our beliefs about God's identity and purpose. The funny thing is, the two probably don't even really conflict. God probably did create us partially for something akin to His own glory, but always remember that we are His children, not His pets. I firmly believe that God takes joy in watching us grow and learn physically, mentally, and especially spiritually, not just because it reflects how great He is (are we to believe that God would really take pleasure in something so shallow?), but because He loves us as children, and the greatest joy of any parent is to see his or her children grow and prosper.

 

[djbcrawford]

How can something that is beneficial to your body and mind be a sin?

Ah, but is it....

 

[MezzaMorta]

Ah, but is it....

How? Not masturbating has negative effects to your health both physical and mental.

 

[Macano]

Ah, but is it....

Yes, it is.

That's just a news article, but I have an uncle who is a doctor. He's just a family doctor, not a reproductive specialist, but based on what he's seen in the medical journals, he advocates it, and he is Christian. I don't understand why this is such an issue for some people, enough so that it's reached 100 pages long..

 

[djbcrawford]

Yes, it is.

That's just a news article, but I have an uncle who is a doctor. He's just a family doctor, not a reproductive specialist, but based on what he's seen in the medical journals, he advocates it, and he is Christian. I don't understand why this is such an issue for some people, enough so that it's reached 100 pages long..

Interesting article which uses a lot of the words "could" and "may". Article's like these seem to change all the time. One week something is bad for us, then it's good, then it's bad again. In a Christian forum we have to discuss Christian issues of morality based on scripture, not just one person's idea's or a study someone did.

I guess it is so long because it is something a lot of us are interested in doing . I bet any other posts about sex also go on as long. My only problem with touching yourself (scripturally) is that Jesus said lusting after a woman is the same as adultery. What this means is that if you can do it without imagining having sex with someone (who isn't your wife), then I don't see it as a problem. Good luck with that though, as I haven't managed it yet.

Once you get into fantascsing that way, you get into problem area's similar to pornography where woman begin to be viewed as objects to fulfill your desires rather than individuals deserving of your love.

 

[fifi]

this is a very easy topic the bible says to flee from all sexual lust

 

[Gukkor]

this is a very easy topic the bible says to flee from all sexual lust

Indeed, and the Bible is quite clear on lust. However, this topic isn't about lust, it's about masturbation.

 

[cardinalbunal]

It's true that Jesus doesn't want us to lust because lust often consumes our ability to LOVE the right way and view women as our sisters.....

Being horny isn't a sin though.

Is there a difference between lust and horniness?

;-b

 

[mont974x4]

Indeed, and the Bible is quite clear on lust. However, this topic isn't about lust, it's about masturbation.

I disagree, the issue with masturbation is a lust issue. I would almost go so far as to say that lust is the main issue regarding masturbation if we are looking at reasons for it to be wrong.

Reasons masturbation could be ok...
foreplay etc between husband and wife
collection of sperm for procreation

 

[threeinone]

Well?

OP question(Well actually the "Well" came after the heading "Is masturbating a sin".)

I disagree, the issue with masturbation is a lust issue. I would almost go so far as to say that lust is the main issue regarding masturbation if we are looking at reasons for it to be wrong.

Masturbation is masturbating of our genitals and is not said in the bible to be a sin.

Lust, quite not masturbation, is a sin. The word lust is a very, very strong word and means more than simple desiring or thinking of. It means extreme.....I can't think of the words....look it up for yourself. Lust is more than what you are talking about here.....like it is just wishing thinking.

Sin, real horrid sin of the type where a person might not get to Heaven, that kind of sin is hard to commit.