Is It A Sin to touch?

[Atomagenesis]

I don't know what idolatry you are speaking about, but priests are also human and imperfect, granted that doesn't make it alright to do, but we should not judge the Church itself on the sins of it's people. As for it being tolerated, that is completely false. The Vatican has done much to fix this problem to their best of their ability, though they cannot control people's wills. The 1.3 billion laity stay there because they know not to judge and condemn priests just because they screw up time to time. They also stay there because it is the true chuch and Christ truly dwells there, body, blood, soul, and divinity. It is also uncharitable and a sin to assume evil things about people when we have all fallen into sin ourselves. "Judge not lest ye be judged."

I think it is a horrible thing that a few number of priests have fallen into the sin, but that is an extremely small number. The good of the Catholic Church outweighs the sins of it's people by billions, but Satan will do all in his power to keep you focused on the evil of the weak, imperfect creatures in the higher places of the church. Looking at your brother's faults is like looking into the eye's of Satan.

Pax Christi,

Malcolm

 

[rosenherman]

Imagine Jesus' mom, Mary, laid out naked and seductively on a bed.

Now do you think this is something God fosters in His Kingdom?

Is it a sin? What a religious and stupid question.

Asaph

Where do you think Jesus' brothers and sisters came from. Joseph and Mary did more than just raise their children.

 

[Atomagenesis]

That scripture is taken out of context, Jesus had no direct brothers and sisters from his parents. There is also absolutely no evidence to support that claim.

 

[Rising_Suns]

I would not use the Catholic church for an example about what they say about sexual sin, since so many of their priests are engaged in idolatry/sexual immorality. Funny, you go to any other church and find out your pastor was fondling other kids and most of the time we're outta there! Or you take your kids out of youth activities, etc. It seems to be tolerated in the Catholic church though, sorry to say and many people stay there. Maybe it's because they are doing sexually immoral things themselves.
Jan

Thank you for reminding me why I don't fellowship in this forum anymore.

Take care,

-Davide

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

That scripture is taken out of context, Jesus had no direct brothers and sisters from his parents. There is also absolutely no evidence to support that claim.

He most certainly did have.

While he was yet speaking to the multitudes, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, seeking to speak to him. One said to him, "Behold, your mother and your brothers stand outside, seeking to speak to you." But he answered him who spoke to him, "Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?" He stretched out his hand towards his talmidim, and said, "Behold, my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, he is my brother, and sister, and mother." (Mat 12:46-50 HNV)


Shalom,

Tag

 

[Atomagenesis]

Yes, his mother was out there, and his "brothers," his friends, disciples, the apostles. It would be the same as if I called you my brother in Christ, though you are not direct flesh from Mary and Joseph. And so apparently I am a woman if I did the will of God, which would make absolutely no sense, the correct context of scripture in light of the church is incredibly important. Also, there is still no evidence that they are his direct blood relatives. God reward you!

Pax Christi,

Malcolm

 

[julian the apostate]

there is another line of reasoning in church tradition as well (the Orthodox church)

which is that Joseph was a widower who had children when he married Mary

btw,, both John Calvin and Martin Luther held to the perpetual virginity of Mary
and Luther even held to the Immaculate Conception

 

[Atomagenesis]

These were the children of Mary, the wife of Cleophas, sister of our blessed Lady; (Matthew xxviii. 56.; John xix. 25.) and therefore, according to the usual style of the Scripture, they were called brethren, that is, near relations to our Saviour. (Challoner)

 

[rosenherman]

Mark 6:3 - Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon, and are not his sisters here with us?"

Seems that Mary had other children with Joseph.

 

[Asaph]

Where do you think Jesus' brothers and sisters came from. Joseph and Mary did more than just raise their children.

I'm sorry. I was trying to radically shift the box that had developed in this thread. I certainly meant nothing lewd or lacivious in it.

It is quite obvious from a clear reading of scripture that Jesus had subsequent half brothers and sisters. A person has to suspend all intellegence to deny that.

Joseph and Mary absolutely had intercourse and produced half brothers and sisters to our Lord Jesus the Messiah.

Therefore, Mary, herself a product of intercourse and infected with the sin that all inherit, did indeed produce from her body a person who was not infused with the Adamic sin. Why? There was no human father.

Afterwards while she was still blessed (meaning "oh how happy") she did produce regular children with Joseph.

Asaph

 

[Atomagenesis]

Suspending intelligence is the problem that most people have with personal interpretation of scripture because they deny the infallibility of the church, the institution which gave us the scriptures. You have no proof other than your personal interpretation of scripture, which contradicts 2,000 years of tradition. According to your beleif in Sola Scriptura, to claim they had intercourse is a fallacy because it does not state that in scripture, therefore cannot be claimed. It does not say anywhere in scripture that Mary produced more children, which is again a contradiction to your beleif. God reward you!

Pax Christi,

Malcolm

 

[Asaph]

Suspending intelligence is the problem that most people have with personal interpretation of scripture because they deny the infallibility of the church, the institution which gave us the scriptures. You have no proof other than your personal interpretation of scripture, which contradicts 2,000 years of tradition. According to your beleif in Sola Scriptura, to claim they had intercourse is a fallacy because it does not state that in scripture, therefore cannot be claimed. It does not say anywhere in scripture that Mary produced more children, which is again a contradiction to your beleif. God reward you!

Pax Christi,

Malcolm

ROFL!!!!!!!!..........oh my that's so rich!!!!!..

Thank you so much for posting that. I know you're are not aware of the strength you gave to my simple confidence in God Himself. But thank you anyway.

Regretably, it is not uncommon for arrogant people to reject God.

Asaph

 

[Atomagenesis]

If you could explain to me how I am wrong I would appreciate it very much! God love you!

Pax Christi

 

[Asaph]

 

[Atomagenesis]

Asaph, buddy

Don't be afraid to embrace Our Lord in the Catholic faith, He has given us so much.

God bless.

 

[Asaph]

Asaph, buddy

Don't be afraid to embrace Our Lord in the Catholic faith, He has given us so much.

God bless.

Do not be afraid of the Gospel. There is life in no other.

Asaph

 

[AshenK]

If you're married, and it's with/of your wife... I don't think it's wrong.

If you're not married, the impure thoughts make it sin.

I don't think that spilling the seed itself is wrong, simply because if you don't use it, it gets wasted regardless.

 

[lismore]

Suspending intelligence is the problem that most people have with personal interpretation of scripture because they deny the infallibility of the church, the institution which gave us the scriptures. You have no proof other than your personal interpretation of scripture, which contradicts 2,000 years of tradition.

Hello

No-one answered my earlier point. Part of the tradition of your wonderful church was the murder of people for good deeds, reading the bible and preaching the gospel. By order of holy and infallible popes they were tied to stakes and burned ALIVE. Have you any idea what that would be like? Your whole organisation is not worth the suffering of one of these martyr's.


http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06796a.htm
In February 1231 Pope gregory Enacted a law for the death of 'heretics' by fire, or life imprisonment if they buckled under torture.

No-where did Jesus say set people on fire.

Example: George Wishart, condemned to death and burnt at the stake outside the Castle, In St Andrews, Scotland in 1546. Over 100 spectators, including Catholic Clergy and Cardinal beaton sat on velvet cushions and ogled for the 30 minutes it took George Wishart to combust. His crime: ministering to the lepers at the leper colony in Dundee.
This is my home turf so I know.

 

[perpendicular_bisector]

Hello

No-one answered my earlier point. Part of the tradition of your wonderful church was the murder of people for good deeds, reading the bible and preaching the gospel. By order of holy and infallible popes they were tied to stakes and burned ALIVE. Have you any idea what that would be like? Your whole organisation is not worth the suffering of one of these martyr's.



In February 1231 Pope gregory Enacted a law for the death of 'heretics' by fire, or life imprisonment if they buckled under torture.

No-where did Jesus say set people on fire.

Example: George Wishart, condemned to death and burnt at the stake outside the Castle, In St Andrews, Scotland in 1546. Over 100 spectators, including Catholic Clergy and Cardinal beaton sat on velvet cushions and ogled for the 30 minutes it took George Wishart to combust. His crime: ministering to the lepers at the leper colony in Dundee.
This is my home turf so I know.

Yes you are right

Catholic tradition has many awful things.

If we have to interpret God's word through this muck then I think i would vomit.

 

[lismore]

There is no diffrence in sin it is all the same from killing someone to just thinking idolterous thoughts . dont make a gray zone or dont be luke worm because then you contort the word of god. .

Hi there friend

In one sense all sins are the same: one sin can separate you from God.


But, if you think that blowing up a bus load of Kids is the same as sewing a button on your shirt, do you not need a reality check?