Is It A Sin to touch?

[Asaph]

It is impossible to touch without Lust, if you are not lusting after a woman or a man, you are lusting after yourself. It is violence against one's self. God also struck down Onan in the book of Genesis for spilling his seed on the ground, which is basically the same thing as masturbation, intrinsically evil. Masturbation is a Mortal Sin, and offends God very very much, and it will cast the individual into hell, so it is incredibly important to avoid all occassions of this sin, and to not avoid the occassions would be a sin in itself.

Pax Christi,

Malcolm

Biblically, there is no such thing as a "mortal" sin for those who are in Jesus. It cheapens His sacrifice.

Asaph

 

[holo]

are lusting after yourself.

Well, at least someone lusts after me. I'll take it as a compliment.

Thank you holo! But don't think I'm only after the sex. I deman cuddling afterwards too, I'm not a ****.

/me cuddles holo romantically

I make me feel sexy.

 

[Asaph]

Well, at least someone lusts after me. I'll take it as a compliment.

Thank you holo! But don't think I'm only after the sex. I deman cuddling afterwards too, I'm not a ****.

* holo cuddles holo romantically

I make me feel sexy.

ROFL!!! Oh man.......I can hardly typ!

Asaph

 

[Rising_Suns]

Biblically, there is no such thing as a "mortal" sin for those who are in Jesus. It cheapens His sacrifice.

Asaph

You may want to check out 1 John 5:16.

Blessings,

-Davide

 

[julian the apostate]

Quote:

Originally Posted by: Atomagenesis

It is impossible to touch without Lust, if you are not lusting after a woman or a man, you are lusting after yourself. It is violence against one's self. God also struck down Onan in the book of Genesis for spilling his seed on the ground, which is basically the same thing as masturbation, intrinsically evil. Masturbation is a Mortal Sin, and offends God very very much, and it will cast the individual into hell, so it is incredibly important to avoid all occassions of this sin, and to not avoid the occassions would be a sin in itself.

Pax Christi,

Malcolm


i dare you to run that line of reasoning by your priest,, i would bet serious money he would explain to you that you will not go to hell for masturbating

 

[Rising_Suns]

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i dare you to run that line of reasoning by your priest,, i would bet serious money he would explain to you that you will not go to hell for masturbating

Priests should pass on the teachings of the Catholic Church, and the Church is clear that masturbation is a grave offense against God. My priest once told me during confession that masturbation was a mortal sin. That was all I needed to know to stop from masturbating. If he had told me that it wasn't that serious, then I probably would have continued in this vice.

Blessings,

-Davide

 

[Asaph]

You may want to check out 1 John 5:16.

Blessings,

-Davide

1 John 5:15-17
16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.
NKJV


You obviously may want to check out Romans 8:1. It may free you from your bondage of self.

Rom 8:1
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.
NKJV


No human self-righteousness will be allowed in heaven. Repent.

Asaph

 

[Asaph]

Priests should pass on the teachings of the Catholic Church, and the Church is clear that masturbation is a grave offense against God. My priest once told me during confession that masturbation was a mortal sin. That was all I needed to know to stop from masturbating. If he had told me that it wasn't that serious, then I probably would have continued in this vice.

Blessings,

-Davide

Isn't this a non-denominational forum?

 

[Rising_Suns]

You obviously may want to check out Romans 8:1. It may free you from your bondage of self.

Rom 8:1
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.
NKJV


No human self-righteousness will be allowed in heaven. Repent.

Asaph

Asaph,
I do not intend to debate you in this thread, since I am a guest here and this would be against the rules. I will say though that I am confused at how the verse you posted relates to the one I posted. I was only demonstrating that there are different degrees of sin. Scripture even points out that there is forgivable sin and unforgivable sin. Unforgivable is essentially what we as Catholics consider "mortal sin" (i.e., rejection, or, Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit), just FYI.

Blessings,

-Davide

 

[Rising_Suns]

Isn't this a non-denominational forum?

Someone else brought up how a priest would respond. I clarified how a priest should respond. I do not think this is against the rules, however if it is, then I will edit my post.

Blessings,

-Davide

 

[Asaph]

Asaph,
I do not intend to debate you in this thread, since I am a guest here and this would be against the rules. I will say though that I am confused at how the verse you posted relates to the one I posted. I was only demonstrating that there are different degrees of sin. Scripture even points out that there is forgivable sin and unforgivable sin. Unforgivable is essentially what we as Catholics consider "mortal sin" (i.e., rejection, or, Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit).

Blessings,

-Davide

And I am telling you that the only "unforgivable" sin is rejecting Jesus as the Messiah. I am not open to debate on this. It is an absolute clear reading of scripture. Which I only and unequivecably accept. Sola scriptura.

Period.

Asaph

 

[Atomagenesis]

Rom 8:1
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.
NKJV

I agree with scripture 100%, but if one is in sin of death, such as masturbation, one cannot possibly be in Christ because the soul is dead in sin. Mortal sin, which Mortal is just a Latin derivitive of Mortuos, which means death. If you read the Latin Vulgate 1 John would be calling it a mortal sin. So the teaching of mortal sin is very biblical.

As for my priest, and all good holy Catholic priests would tell the individual that if they are in a state of mortal sin you will go to Hell at death. Once you go to confession you are in Christ Jesus once again, or as we call it the 'state of grace.'

I was also wondering if you could find me in the scripture where it says scripture is the sole authority of Christianity? God reward you!

Pax Christi,

Malcolm

 

[holo]

There are different views on what salvation actually means.
I believe it has all to do with identity, that it means we are new creations, God's children, and that God relates to us as such, not as sinners or somebody else's kid.
With all it entails.
If your kid messes up, you don't throw him out of the house. Even if he screams "I hate you!" in a fit of misunderstanding and frustration, you don't send him away to an orphanage. You can't cut off lines of flesh and blood, and even if we as humans could, God can't, because He can not deny Himself. I'm His child because He has chosen me to be, and I'm not one to argue with God...

 

[Asaph]

There are different views on what salvation actually means.
I believe it has all to do with identity, that it means we are new creations, God's children, and that God relates to us as such, not as sinners or somebody else's kid.
With all it entails.
If your kid messes up, you don't throw him out of the house. Even if he screams "I hate you!" in a fit of misunderstanding and frustration, you don't send him away to an orphanage. You can't cut off lines of flesh and blood, and even if we as humans could, God can't, because He can not deny Himself. I'm His child because He has chosen me to be, and I'm not one to argue with God...

Amen and amen.

Asaph

 

[lismore]

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[Asaph]

Hi everyone

I was wrong, number 1 is the only answer.

But some people are struggling with this sin. Some people are struggling with another sin. Struggling with a sin is like walking along a forest trail when a gorilla jumps out at you and grabs you and you have to wrestle with it for your life. You have to struggle with it. You cant tell it that another believer said there were no gorillas here, or that gorillas are mortal sins, or someone else walked here and didnt see a gorilla, or that someone else wrestled a smaller gorrilla or a chimp. You gotta struggle with it before it tears you limb from limb.

if you are without sin then well done- you have won the pharisee of the year award:o .

Luke 18
9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[a] himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'


13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.' 14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

Good post, but I disagree somewhat with the struggle thing. It's not something that I have completely studied through yet though, and I don't think it would be appropriate to send this thread off in that direction.

So, if you feel like it, perhaps you could take this post of yours and start another thread where we could discuss it in the more general terms of overcoming the flesh?

Thanks,
Asaph

 

[lismore]

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[Asaph]

Hi there

God Bless

if the mods want to move this post or edit it then thats fine by me.

I havent studied this area either: but I have judged brothers and sisters when they sin, given them bible verses self righteously, given them cliches, argued, cajoled, misunderstood. But when you go through an affliction of sin yourself you see what was going on.

the lord looks on the heart of the person: someone can be in sin, be getting torn apart: repenting, praying for release and not show this outwardly. Someone can be going through inner torment and not show this on the outside.

If a persons hormone level increased by 1000%, would they not have a higher propensity to lust? Would they not pray and struggle with this until the hormone levels dropped? Would judging them on the outer appearance help?

The Bible says : in my anguish I called to the Lord and he answered me by setting me free. one doesnt know what anguish is until you have reached a place of desperation. This suggests a struggle and a tough, even naturally speaking impossible struggle.

Oh no, please don't misunderstand. I didn't mean that your post was inappropriate at all. I just thought that your post would be a good start to another thread that wasn't centered on any one particular behaviour, but rather how we are to walk in the spirit and overcome the flesh.

Sorry about that.

Asaph

 

[lismore]

Oh no, please don't misunderstand. I didn't mean that your post was inappropriate at all. I just thought that your post would be a good start to another thread that wasn't centered on any one particular behaviour, but rather how we are to walk in the spirit and overcome the flesh.

Sorry about that.

Asaph

Hi there

No problems. I just wanted to explain a little bit.

God Bless

Lismore

 

[lismore]

As for my priest, and all good holy Catholic priests would tell the individual that if they are in a state of mortal sin you will go to Hell at death. Once you go to confession you are in Christ Jesus once again, or as we call it the 'state of grace.'

Hello

This seems to be advocating salvation by works, we cannot earn a state of grace by going to the priest- grace is a gift. The same Greek word Charis is translated both ways. You can unblock your channel to God by removing sin from your life, but salvation is not dependent on what you do, it is dependent on what Jesus did on the cross. If it is dependent on what we do then we are all lost. Your focus on works and an artificially and arbitrarily imposed new law only turn you into the modern day pharisee- A rich organisation which has largest membership in poor countries.

The problem is that the Goalposts with the Catholic Church have changed so much that you cannot be sure of scoring a goal. What is acceptable for a pope is quietly dropped after a while when its bizarre nature is seen by even the catholic hierarchy. Over the centuries we have had indulgences, we have had a boatload of true crosses appearing all over the place (all recognised by the catholic hierarchy), we have had wars over filioque clauses, we have had holy murder of innocents sanctioned by infallible popes, we have had Jesus transformed into a little baby sitting on a sinner's knee (by the definition of scripture Mary sinned), we have seen paganism creep into the catholic religion and then seen the most bizarre explanations given in defence of the indefensible, we have seen believers burned ALIVE for reading the bible while a depraved succession of pope's flaunted their illegitimate children in public (Alexander, Julius et al), many of the catholic doctrines are formed retrospectively after successives popes realised their colleagues had put their foor in it.

I can say this to you as an ex-catholic who has found Jesus. Yes Jesus. Not the hierarchy, not the pope, not another set of dogmas: just Jesus

John 3;16 For God so loved the world he gave his only forgotten son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life. This is true for me a sinner, and can be for you too friend.

Now there is no room for fear in love, perfect love drives out fear. if you fear God on the level that you describe then you are not yet a child of God but an illegitimate Son. God disciplines the children he loves, is burning them forever for a slip love? What if you sin and 5 seconds before you confess to the priest the great day of the lord comes? what about those catholics who are on their way to the confessional when this world ends? They're lost.

Romans 10v9 if you confess with you're mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead then you will be saved. The lord redeems his servants- no-one who takes refuge in him will be condemned.
There is no room in the Hebrew Yasha for what you are describing.

Jesus said ' unless a man be born again you cannot see the Kingdom of God. the Kingdom of God is within you! I pray God opens your eyes to the truth as he did mine