Is It A Sin to touch?

lizzie0711 · Oct 22, 2005

In our flesh dwells no good thing!!! Do you not know that your body is the temple of God. And God dwelleth in us so think about it would God be caught in that act and the eyes of the Lord is in every place beholding the good and evil. It's a sexual immortality!!!

RP1000 · Oct 24, 2005

It's a sexual immortality!!!

is it? that is the real question!

there is no question that it certainly can be a sin (lusting after a girl other than your wife) but that is the sin of lusting not masturbation

But can you do it while not lusting? yes

hhhmmm?

mark53 · Oct 25, 2005

Telrunya said:
It is a gray area and often those are the most dangerous. I encourage you to take the narrow path. Keep in mind

1 Thessalonians 4:3-5 For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God;

I think touching yourself, even done without lustful thoughts if you can manage that, still opens the door and establishes a stronghold. It becomes easier to have those thoughts when you find someone you are interested in and begin to try to justify it a nd in doing so dishonor that person. Take the safe road and abstain is my advice.

I think that this is pushing it a little, sexual immorality and masturbation are not the same, just as sexual intercourse and sexial immorality are not the same. Though they CAN interlock if one goes about it for evil purposes.

mark53 · Oct 25, 2005

There is one passage that has been used against masturbation and that is Gen 38:8-11
Then Judah said to Onan, "Go into your brother's wife and perform the duty of a brother-in-law (i.e. have sex with her - Leverite law); raise up offspring for your brother; But since Onan knew that the offspring would not be his, he spilled his sperm on the ground whenever he went in to his brother's wife, so that he would not give offspring to his brother. ......

Not quite masturbation rather than withdrawal at the last moment (which doesn't work anyway!!) In those days they believed that sperm was miniture babies and that wasting sperm (through any other than in women incubators) was wrong.

mark53 · Oct 25, 2005

lizzie0711 said:
In our flesh dwells no good thing!!! Do you not know that your body is the temple of God. And God dwelleth in us so think about it would God be caught in that act and the eyes of the Lord is in every place beholding the good and evil. It's a sexual immortality!!!

Was Paul talking about the physical flesh - which God created anyway, or, was he taling about flesh as against spiritual things?!

RP1000 · Oct 31, 2005

In those days they believed that sperm was miniture babies and that wasting sperm (through any other than in women incubators) was wrong.

how do you know that?

mark53 · Nov 1, 2005

RP1000 said:
how do you know that?

Various people who have written about the way people though in those days.

The Catholics had a very similar belief to this for many centuries!

The best take on all this was in the "Life of Brian".

mark53 · Nov 1, 2005

lizzie0711 said:
In our flesh dwells no good thing!!! Do you not know that your body is the temple of God. And God dwelleth in us so think about it would God be caught in that act and the eyes of the Lord is in every place beholding the good and evil. It's a sexual immortality!!!

So what does one take of "wet dreams"? Also if a male has to have a test done on his sperm count, that is how it is taken. "..would God be caught in the act.." is a bit difficult to use because it depends on one's ideas and circumstances! Like going to the toilet / bathroom!
God created us to have sex and it is not always possible to do so, That's why there is rape, date rape, prostitutes, etc, because some (mainly males) cannot control their urges. Mastsbation would be a much better and safer prospect! (I can't do it myself because of Chronic Fatigue and bad artritis - well not very successfully anyway!)

ArchangelGabriel · Nov 1, 2005

sarbee said:
i agree there... masturbation isnt a sin in itself, rather the thoughts that go with it...

well ironicly i didnt have bad thoughts until i was told by a youth minister taht its wrong because of the impure thoughts that come with it

ArchangelGabriel · Nov 1, 2005

but besides lust there is also the high possiblity of holding it as a god in your life

rmlittleone · Nov 1, 2005

Lets look at why we touch. Most of the time(i think) its because we are sad or lonely. In times like these we should look to God rather than ourselves for a boost. Also when you are praying or doing devotions or at church masturbation never comes to mind. Its usually when we are alone, and not feeling good.

Tangnefedd · Nov 2, 2005

Lets look at why we touch. Most of the time(i think) its because we are sad or lonely. In times like these we should look to God rather than ourselves for a boost. Also when you are praying or doing devotions or at church masturbation never comes to mind. Its usually when we are alone, and not feeling good.

That is a very sweeping statement! I don't think people always touch because they are sad and lonely, it is just gives an added boost one's sex life. I bet when some blokes are in church and a nubile female is sitting there masturbation is very much in mind!

holo · Nov 2, 2005

ArchangelGabriel said:
well ironicly i didnt have bad thoughts until i was told by a youth minister taht its wrong because of the impure thoughts that come with it

Oh man, that is so straight into what Paul said - "but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life!"

The commandment, from both God and your minister, was good and all, but again, it turned out to be a curse, didn't it?

humbletodd · Nov 2, 2005

May be strange to do that without lust...If its for your spouse you may be okay. Otherwise i think its not worth finding out. When in doubt about an act then avoid it. You can use the scriptures that refer to food..if what i eat causes my brother to sin then i'll never eat meat again.. If you feel that act may cause your brother to judge you or to cause him or her to sin in some way then i'd avoid it like the plague. If you're not married I'd get me a wife when it's legal. oh, and loving each other first is also good idea....Happy trails!

mark53 · Nov 2, 2005

ArchangelGabriel said:
but besides lust there is also the high possiblity of holding it as a god in your life

There is also the 'risk' of those who hold on to particular issues, for or against,!!! and let it dominate them then they have more than held it as a god!

mark53 · Nov 2, 2005

rmlittleone said:
Its usually when we are alone, and not feeling good.

??????? Must be from experience, or others have told you that, or, are you just, guessing!

Antoinette.Marie · Nov 3, 2005

Well, with this issue, I always think that if it feels wrong, don't do it. Turn to the Word for help and guidance. Read it, and put it to your heart.

GW_in_04 · Nov 3, 2005

for those interested in this subject, or the subject of sex, porn, etc check out www.xxxchurch.com they have great articles and Bible related resources dealing with this issue.

rmlittleone · Nov 3, 2005

mark53 said:
??????? Must be from experience, or others have told you that, or, are you just, guessing!

thats what other people in my small group have said, when discussing it.

wrkin4christ · Nov 3, 2005

Yes I believe so becasue to masterubate you need to fantasize to fantasize is to lust and to lust is to commit adultry

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