Is It A Sin to touch?

[midnightbirdgirl]

Is lust for one's spouse a sin? Just sayin'...

 

[Jig]

That's the same logic I use to support pre-marital sex. As long as one isn't thinking about sex while they're having sex, it's all right! Same with extra-marital affairs.

Also, when one thinks about it, if masturbation without mentally defiling an actual women isn't a sin, then surely masturbating to fictional characters isn't a sin either.

What? Thats just plain crazy. You sin two ways. In your heart and physically. If you having pre-marital sex physically and are not thinking about it....your still sinning and the same vise versa.

Fictional or not, the point is your envisioning your self having pre-martial sex. Still a sin. Your logic doesn't hold up. Sorry.

 

[lismore]

Is lust for one's spouse a sin? Just sayin'...

Is having sex not for the express purpose of procreation a sin? Or is it acceptable for the pleasure aspect?

 

[lismore]

What? Thats just plain crazy. You sin two ways. In your heart and physically. If you having pre-marital sex physically and are not thinking about it....your still sinning and the same vise versa.

Fictional or not, the point is your envisioning your self having pre-martial sex. Still a sin. Your logic doesn't hold up. Sorry.

I think its relationship thats important not the ritual. Look at Jesus healing on the sabbath, look at david eating the consecrated bread, look at the two young lovers in Song of Songs who were forbidden to Marry. They had sex.

God's primary focus is not getting everyone to live in a social straight-jacket. Its reconciling folks to himself. God is not a mute or a man that he cannot speak straight.

Its like what Ecclesiasties Ch 10 says. A little bird told me . The little bird in the palace of the king hears everything. if you are a little bird in the presence of God you will know more than a robot following rules you neither comprehend or perceive. Indeed it might show you what the rules mean.

The primary focus of marriage is to produce Godly offspring and the primary place of sex is within marriage. but was marriage created for man or man for marriage? Is God bigger than a social perception? I think so.

Indeed, by God's standards many people within marriage are committing fornication. If something is insituted by God to be a memorial before him, how can someone who does not acknowledge God be married? As Jesus said to the pharisee, God could raise children up out of stones, but he doesnt. he wants legitimate children who are born again. Jesus told the pharisee they were the children of fornication and adulterous relations even though their parents were married. Marriage on its own doesnt mean quack.

Now, back to mastubation.

Galatians 6

4Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else, 5for each one should carry his own load.


6Anyone who receives instruction in the word must share all good things with his instructor. 7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature[a]will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life

You dont need man to tell you about mastubations. God is wanting to open communications with you on these matters.

 

[rosiecotton]

Is having sex not for the express purpose of procreation a sin? Or is it acceptable for the pleasure aspect?

I believe it's definitely acceptable for pleasure only!! Otherwise, why would we, especially women, have [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]???? I mean, we don't have to have them in order to get pregnant! God gave us the ability to have them. I believe He meant for it to be pleasurable.
Also, if that were true, then everyone over childbearing age would have to stop having sex.

 

[lismore]

I believe it's definitely acceptable for pleasure only!! Otherwise, why would we, especially women, have [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]???? I mean, we don't have to have them in order to get pregnant! God gave us the ability to have them. I believe He meant for it to be pleasurable.
Also, if that were true, then everyone over childbearing age would have to stop having sex.

Hi rose

Its a circular argument similarly regarding mastubating.

Its pleasurable, why would God allow a single person to be able to mastubate if it was yet a sin? God gave us the ability to have them?!?

 

[jasperbound]

What? Thats just plain crazy. You sin two ways. In your heart and physically. If you having pre-marital sex physically and are not thinking about it....your still sinning and the same vise versa.

Fictional or not, the point is your envisioning your self having pre-martial sex. Still a sin. Your logic doesn't hold up. Sorry.

There's no sin in the heart because I'm not thinking about sex. After all, it's totally possible to have sex (and touch) while having no sexual thought whatsoever.

And that's what matters, right? The heart. Loopholes are great!

 

[rodimus321]

Loopholes are great

That's a great Godly attitude to have.

For those who prefer to pervert the truth of Gods word in order to justify their sins all I can do is . I'm glad that your the ones who will have to explain to God on the day of Judgement why you told others it was ok to sin, and it won't be me.

"Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly" (James 3:1)

teach·er [ tchər ] (plural teach·ers)
noun Definitions: 1. somebody who teaches: somebody who teaches, especially as a profession

2. anything that teaches: an occurrence, idea, or object from which something may be learned

Those who are trying to condone sin, whether you like it or not, you are teaching an idea from which something can be learned.
"If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing" (2 Timothy 6:3-4)


</IMG>More thoughts:
"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths" (2 Timothy 4:3-4).

"But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God --having a form of Godliness but denying its power" (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

 

[midnightbirdgirl]

Is having sex not for the express purpose of procreation a sin? Or is it acceptable for the pleasure aspect?

To share your body with your spouse, even without the possibility of children would NOT be sin. Sin is withholding. There is nothing the the bible about all marital sex having to be procreative. Nothing. To say that you should only come together for children, means that if you are infertlie, sterile, or have gone through menopause, that you can no longer lie with your spouse is ridiculas.
Alos, there is NOTHING about birth control at all (save Onan who was punished for disobediance, of not giving his brother an heir).
There were many b/c methods that were fairly reliable in biblical times, and NOT one is ever mentioned in the WORD. The Word does contain many rules regarding sex and touching yourself and birth control are not mentioned. God does not err so these were not metioned for the reason they are not sin.
I believe that any birth control that is abortifacient in nature against God as it kills life.
1 Corinthians 7:3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
MBG

 

[midnightbirdgirl]

I believe it's definitely acceptable for pleasure only!! Otherwise, why would we, especially women, have [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]???? I mean, we don't have to have them in order to get pregnant! God gave us the ability to have them. I believe He meant for it to be pleasurable.
Also, if that were true, then everyone over childbearing age would have to stop having sex.

Imagine what the divorce reate would be then??
MBG

 

[holo]

No wonder people are annoyed, confused and angry with christians. Nobody in their right mind would consider becoming a christian after reading the garbage in threads like these. I repent for partaking in it.

 

[jasperbound]

No wonder people are annoyed, confused and angry with christians. Nobody in their right mind would consider becoming a christian after reading the garbage in threads like these. I repent for partaking in it.

With all due respect, I don't know if I'd grant you the title of one who decides who is in his right mind and who isn't.

 

[SH89]

With all due respect, I don't know if I'd grant you the title of one who decides who is in his right mind and who isn't.

Wow,wow,wow! Intentional insult-10 yard penalty on jasperbound

No wonder people are annoyed, confused and angry with christians. Nobody in their right mind would consider becoming a christian after reading the garbage in threads like these. I repent for partaking in it.

I agree with you, but no need to call the posts in here garbage. The bible is silent on masturbation.* The bible is not silent with homosexuality

That is a 5 yard penalty for calling the posts in here garbage, and thus the penalties off-set between jasperbound and holo.

*That doesn't mean that it is a sin or not, that it debatable.

Ephesians 5:1Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

 

[rodimus321]

Just though I would repost my original, for fun.

For those who prefer to pervert the truth of Gods word in order to justify their sins all I can do is . I'm glad that your the ones who will have to explain to God on the day of Judgement why you told others it was ok to sin, and it won't be me.

"Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly" (James 3:1)

teach·er [ t&#63484;ch&#601;r ] (plural teach·ers)
noun Definitions: 1. somebody who teaches: somebody who teaches, especially as a profession

2. anything that teaches: an occurrence, idea, or object from which something may be learned

Those who are trying to condone sin, whether you like it or not, you are teaching an idea from which something can be learned.
"If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing" (2 Timothy 6:3-4)


</IMG>More thoughts:
"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths" (2 Timothy 4:3-4).

"But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God --having a form of Godliness but denying its power" (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

 

[Tangnefedd]

I advocate masturbation, far better for young teenagers to touch, in private, than jump into bed before they are mature enough to handle sexual intercourse!

 

[whitedove7]

Do you have to fanticise when masturbating? What does Paul say? He says in 2 Corinthians 10:3-5 3For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:



4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds 5Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

So if you are fanticising your mind on another person to touch, then you are fornicating in the mind. Those thoughts are against God and he says to cast down imaginations.

Maybe you think fornicating in the mind is ok, but will it eventually get a person to fall into sin of fornication? There are seven steps to sin and part of the steps is allowing the mind to play in vain imaginations that are against God.

 

[rodimus321]

I advocate masturbation, far better for young teenagers to touch, in private, than jump into bed before they are mature enough to handle sexual intercourse!

You may think that's a good idea but it's not. read this http://www.youthspecialties.com/articles/topics/sexuality/solo.php

 

[RP1000]

This question is so Old Testament! (everything is external and cold)

the New Testament reality is that God (the Holy Spirit) lives in you and you dont need to ask such questions as IS THIS A SIN etc etc

You dont need to look at anything external or anybody!

bottom line is;
If you feel its not right for you (you are convicted) dont do it

Its that simple!

 

[jasperbound]

This question is so Old Testament! (everything is external and cold)

the New Testament reality is that God (the Holy Spirit) lives in you and you dont need to ask such questions as IS THIS A SIN etc etc

You dont need to look at anything external or anybody!

bottom line is;
If you feel its not right for you (you are convicted) dont do it

Its that simple!

So, I could do anything I want as long as it doesn't feel wrong to me, even rape. Thank God for grace!

(yes, I know that rape is a big leap from masturbation, but if the standard is "if it feels good, it's all right," then it actually isn't, because rape feels good to some people)

I don't trust feelings that much though. Relentless pride feels good sometimes.

 

[Izzy23]

So, I could do anything I want as long as it doesn't feel wrong to me, even rape. Thank God for grace!

(yes, I know that rape is a big leap from masturbation, but if the standard is "if it feels good, it's all right," then it actually isn't, because rape feels good to some people)

I don't trust feelings that much though. Relentless pride feels good sometimes.

You're absolutly right. From what the previous poster has said, I guess we really don't need the bible then.

Masturbation is a sin. It is a fantasy world of lust which leads to people acting out on these fantasies. It is a test every time you decide whether or not to do it. I seriously doubt there are many people out there who do this without thinking of something lustful.

The scriptures clearly say to even look at someone else with lust in their hearts is a sin. What else is masturbation then that?

Without a doubt, these are the last days. It's time to start cleaning our lives up and making some very major decisions as to whether we want garbage in our lives or not. We are going to have to present our lives to God very soon and I'm sure we want to stand up there knowing we lived our lives in purity and unashamed.

Peace
Izzy