Is it a sin to remain poor?

[razzelflabben]

I'm older than you are razzelflabben, I've known the Lord since I was around 3 or 4 yrs old and I've experience God's provision the same as TheScottsMen. Anytime there was less than what I needed it was due to my getting in the way and trying to do things my way instead of His. I don't believe we're talking about things that we percieve as needs vs what He percieves as needs. We need food, shelter, and clothing. He promises to meet all of those.

Birds have their nests and foxes have their holes but the Son of man has nowhere to lay your head. What do we really need? Matt. 8:20
Even when tempted in the garden by Satan, Christ denounced the tempral for the eternal. Again, what do we really need?

If the Son of man (Jesus) walked on this earth in "want" why should I desire to put myself above Him by demanding that God give me the temperal things that I see as needs.

 

[LeeS]

Birds have their nests and foxes have their holes but the Son of man has nowhere to lay your head. What do we really need? Matt. 8:20
Even when tempted in the garden by Satan, Christ denounced the tempral for the eternal. Again, what do we really need?

If the Son of man (Jesus) walked on this earth in "want" why should I desire to put myself above Him by demanding that God give me the temperal things that I see as needs.

Christ said not to worry about what we will wear or whether there is food or shelter. He said, He knew we needed these things and that He would supply them. Jesus did NOT walk in want. He gave up His riches. Show me ONE scripture that shows Jesus did not have because His Father did not provide.

 

[TheScottsMen]

##Your use of this passage indicates that you do not understand the book or point of Ecclesiastes. The whole point is that all these things are meaningless, the work of the one who toils and the one who reapes the reward both die and stand before God's judgement throne. ##
Lets just look at this scripture.

Ecc 2:26 For to the man that pleaseth him God giveth wisdom, and knowledge, and joy; but to the sinner he giveth travail, to gather and to heap up, that he may give to him that pleaseth God. This also is vanity and a striving after wind.


"for to the man that pleaseth him God giveth wisdom, and knowledge, and joy"

Now, the book itself, most likely written by Solomon is here talking about GIFTS of God. Because the book purpose is on how riches and wisdom will not bring us to God, does it means riches and wisdom are wrong? Wrong. It becomes wrong when we put out faith and love in them more then God, just as Solomon did. God saw it right to give Solomon wisdom and wealth. God did not dictate how he used it. But again.

"for to the man that pleaseth him God giveth wisom, and knowledge, and joy". To please God we must Love him first to receive these. When we do "when were born again", we receive all the promises of God.

 

[Rainbow.]

For one to preach about poverty one must first be poor? If I were to preach on murder would I first have to murder to stand on his shoes? Ridiculous.

##so the only way i can see your point is that you feel blessed because of the person that you are.##

Your right I feel blessed. I'm a child of God. I've been Born Again. I'm sorry if you can't understand that.
If it makes you feel like a better person because i am born again and you are not, well good luck to you.

#If you haven't had to deal with the problems poor people do then you will never know the things they have to go through.##

With this train of thought, one must never preach on adultery in church, as the person preaching maybe has never had to go through it. One should not preach on murder, considering he has never had to go through it. One should not preach on incest as one has never slept with his own sister. Again, Ridiculous.

##But I'm sure now i will hear about the time when you was poor with only a cracker between 10 of you! lol ##

Nope! Not Crackers! Ramen noodles! My mother took off when I was 18 right after my father died (was 50). Moved away, I being 18, had no choice but to go out and try to find a home. God was with me. Always has been.

##Besides only the bible verses you quotes are from God, not all the other stuff.## I don't follow here? The only verses I quote are the ones from God? Those would be the ones that affect our life? Would you rather I quoted from the Qur'an? Or some Hindu scripts? We live, eat, and breath the Word of God. I would rather hear what someone has to say by the Word of God then what they "feel" that disagrees with the Word of God.

##I don't understand why you as a man cant speak for yourself Anyway's this is totally going away from the topic so I'm off.##
I dont know where your going with this as i dont feel like im having a conversation with just only you, as you dont seem to be able to speak for yourself.

Mat 7:24 Every one therefore that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them, shall be likened unto a wise man, who built his house upon the rock:

Luk 21:15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to withstand or to gainsay.

Would you rather I speak something that contradicts Gods Words? Are you looking for my opinion? My opinion is Gods Word. If God says something, it right, then it is the best answer anyone can give.

God bless you,

TSM

I really cant relate to someone like you. The way i understand God is that he is love.So for someone who seems to like being compared to a robot that is without compassion, feeling and love im not prepared to waste my energy any more, and i just pray that you dont put anyone off who wants to be born again by your feeling superior feelings you so patronisingly made clear.
You can preach whatever you like, but until you've walked in someones shoes your just preaching without knowledge, you cant seem to accept that you cant have knowledge on all things. Try being a bit more human and stop seeing yourself in a God like image as you will never compare to him. If you need to continue this please feel free to mail me as i would like to hear other peoples opinion on the issue at hand,and not comtinue have to answer you. However, im sure you'll want the last word, so i shall reply to you in a pm so as not to bore everyone on issues unrelated to the topic.

 

[Rainbow.]

You are much tooooooo sensitive over what people say. Your above post was quite rude.

Oh im not sensitive at all. Sorry if you find that rude, but im a plain speaker.

 

[LeeS]

Oh im not sensitive at all, i just dont like liars. Sorry if you find that rude, but im a plain speaker.

I was not lying when I said I was not talking to you. I was talking to TheScottsMen. And your plain speaking has been reported to a moderator.

 

[LeeS]

I really cant relate to someone like you. The way i understand God is that he is love.So for someone who seems to like being compared to a robot that is without compassion, feeling and love im not prepared to waste my energy any more, and i just pray that you dont put anyone off who wants to be born again by your feeling superior feelings you so patronisingly made clear.
You can preach whatever you like, but until you've walked in someones shoes your just preaching without knowledge, you cant seem to accept that you cant have knowledge on all things. Try being a bit more human and stop seeing yourself in a God like image as you will never compare to him. If you need to continue this please feel free to mail me as i would like to hear other peoples opinion on the issue at hand,and not comtinue have to answer you. However, im sure you'll want the last word, so i shall reply to you in a pm so as not to bore everyone on issues unrelated to the topic.

NOW I'm talking to you. I have walked in the same shoes. And I believe exactly what the Word says just like TheScottsMen does. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word. Perhaps more of the word needs to be read so that you have more faith in what it says.

 

[Rainbow.]

. And your plain speaking has been reported to a moderator.

And???
I stand by everything i said, so if the moderator has anything to say, i shall welcome their comments.

 

[razzelflabben]

If Jesus chose poverty, how can poverty or staying in poverty be a sin. Aren't we taught that Jesus never sinned? The problem with picking and choosing scriptures to support what you have been taught is that you miss out on what God really wants you to know. Each and every scripture needs to be viewed in light of the totallity of scripture in order to understand. We live in a different time from the people the scripture was originally written too and do not always understand referrences, etc. Scripture does not contridict itself and yet what I hear from some of you in this discussion is contradictions. We dismiss certain scriptures so that we can make people feel bad that they don't have the same experiences that we have had. How horrifying from the Children of God. The question ask was whether living in poverty is a sin. If Jesus chose to living in poverty, there must be something about poverty the is good or Jesus himself would never have chosen to live the life of earthly want. How can there be any other answer?!? Jesus, the author of our faith, Jesus, the earthly example we are to pattern our lives after, Jesus the only human who never sinned, was never afraid of poverty, but rather embraced it and the poor. I pray you are not so bold as to assume that you know more that the Lord Jesus Christ. For if you claim to know more, you are not speaking the Word of God but rather the word of the false teachers that God warns us about.

 

[Rainbow.]

NOW I'm talking to you. I have walked in the same shoes. And I believe exactly what the Word says just like TheScottsMen does. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word. Perhaps more of the word needs to be read so that you have more faith in what it says.

If you had bothered to read most of my posts you would see i have the upmost faith in the word. why dont you worry about what you need to learn, and dont get yourself involved in a discussion if you haven't a clue on what you are talking about!
Think for yourself (like i do) i dont need to rely on other people like you seem to do. God is all i need ,so maybe your lacking in faith if you need others to reinforce it for you.

 

[LeeS]

Rainbow,

I was NOT talking to you. I was NOT responding to your post. I was talking to TheScottsMen and his post and I was thanking Him for sharing what he did because I learned and was incouraged by it. That had nothing to do with you. Maybe someone else received nothing from it but I did. I needed to hear and be reminded of what God says. It is not about you.

 

[Rainbow.]

If Jesus chose poverty, how can poverty or staying in poverty be a sin. Aren't we taught that Jesus never sinned? The problem with picking and choosing scriptures to support what you have been taught is that you miss out on what God really wants you to know. Each and every scripture needs to be viewed in light of the totallity of scripture in order to understand. We live in a different time from the people the scripture was originally written too and do not always understand referrences, etc. Scripture does not contridict itself and yet what I hear from some of you in this discussion is contradictions. We dismiss certain scriptures so that we can make people feel bad that they don't have the same experiences that we have had. How horrifying from the Children of God. The question ask was whether living in poverty is a sin. If Jesus chose to living in poverty, there must be something about poverty the is good or Jesus himself would never have chosen to live the life of earthly want. How can there be any other answer?!? Jesus, the author of our faith, Jesus, the earthly example we are to pattern our lives after, Jesus the only human who never sinned, was never afraid of poverty, but rather embraced it and the poor. I pray you are not so bold as to assume that you know more that the Lord Jesus Christ. For if you claim to know more, you are not speaking the Word of God but rather the word of the false teachers that God warns us about.

Amen to that sister!!
This is what i called a God inspired post!

 

[Rainbow.]

Rainbow,

I was NOT talking to you. I was NOT responding to your post. I was talking to TheScottsMen and his post and I was thanking Him for sharing what he did because I learned and was incouraged by it. That had nothing to do with you. Maybe someone else received nothing from it but I did. I needed to hear and be reminded of what God says. It is not about you.

Well then next time, if that is the case dont add snipes like...Well if others dont want to hear what you say, i do etc...because by adding that you are involving other people.
You've obviously got a problem with me, because this is not the first time you've made a point of involving yourself with posts i written now is it??
I dont have the time or energy for these petty little conversations and i would rather open my heart and listen to the wise words of people like razzelflabben.

 

[TheScottsMen]

I think i've said enough. Those that choose to not stand on God's word and to stumble back and forth, to want, to think it's Gods will they not have enough, that its God's will that our prayers not be answered can continue to live that way. But, you can be assured that you will be lifted up in prayers day after day. The Word of God causes conviction by the Holy Spirit. That will never change.

I thank God day after day for everything he has done for me. God gave us soooo much when he gave us the Bible. He showed us we can know His will. That we can be confindent in our prayers because we know what he wants for us.

I give thanks for the family of brothers and sisters in Christ. Those like LeeS and all the rest of you. Because of this great family that we have we can goto each other day after day and build each other up in the faith. God never spoke so true when he said..

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony

Praise Jesus for the Victory!!

 

[AlabamaMan]

Let's all keep the no flaming rule in mind....

 

[LeeS]

Well then next time, if that is the case dont add snipes like...Well if others dont want to hear what you say, i do etc...because by adding that you are involving other people.
You've obviously got a problem with me, because this is not the first time you've made a point of involving yourself with posts i written now is it??
I dont have the time or energy for these petty little conversations and i would rather open my heart and listen to the wise words of people like razzelflabben.

It is you who perceived it as a snipe, I certaintly did not intend it that way. Like I said, I was not talking to you, I was not talking about you, I was not talking for you. I was merely posting my appreciation for the Word that was shared.

 

[Rainbow.]

I think i've said enough.

I agree.

 

[Rainbow.]

It is you who perceived it as a snipe, I certaintly did not intend it that way. Like I said, I was not talking to you, I was not talking about you, I was not talking for you. I was merely posting my appreciation for the Word that was shared.

And you have totally ignored the fact that you brought others in your post by saying what you did.
So since this will go on forever..why dont you have the last word amd i will pray to god that it makes you feel better.

 

[Photini]

God's Word says I will not lack.

I believe that the man (or woman ) who can lose all he/she has, and is still not lacking, is truly blessed. The person who can lose their job, their home, their money, their car, their jewelry, their clothes, their food, their children, all their family, every earthly comfort, and still is lacking nothing....THAT is a blessed person. Such a person has every good gift from on high, and is a light shining in the dark. Blessed is that person who has NOTHING, but still is full, and without need, want, and has EVERYTHING.

 

[Rainbow.]

I believe that the man (or woman ) who can lose all he/she has, and is still not lacking, is truly blessed. The person who can lose their job, their home, their money, their car, their jewelry, their clothes, their food, their children, all their family, every earthly comfort, and still is lacking nothing....THAT is a blessed person. Such a person has every good gift from on high, and is a light shining in the dark.

Yes, you are very right. I always see what Job went through, and yet remained true to God. That's a wonderful quality in a person. Ive been through much heartache in my life including the death of my baby neice, and for a few months my heart went cold towards God, but i realised, did God not suffer throught the loss of a child?! If God can suffer then why should i not? God is good, and one day death will not seperate us. Heartache will only bring us closer to the Lord.