Is it a myth that the Jews rejected Jesus?

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Are you referring to what you quoted on replacement theology? I'm not seeing where you defined it differently.

Right here:

Once again Trad SDA arrogance rears its head and we have that wonderful idea making the rounds in Adventism called replacement theology, whereby God has completely rejected the Jewish nation and Adventists are now bestowed with the honor of being 'spiritual Israel'-the Jews apparently were incompetent slackers who could not keep the promises or the commandments of God, so now it is left to the superhuman SDA's to pick up the baton and fully succeed in sinless perfection where Israel failed!

I do not agree with this take on replacement theology.
 
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You better brush up on the history of this site before you make those sorts of assumptions.

You're right. I should have added "based on this thread" in my comments.

But, based on the generalities you seem to hurl about blithely and without much regard, for yourself or others, I can see how you may come to your personal conclusions.
 
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Right here:

Once again Trad SDA arrogance rears its head and we have that wonderful idea making the rounds in Adventism called replacement theology, whereby God has completely rejected the Jewish nation and Adventists are now bestowed with the honor of being 'spiritual Israel'-the Jews apparently were incompetent slackers who could not keep the promises or the commandments of God, so now it is left to the superhuman SDA's to pick up the baton and fully succeed in sinless perfection where Israel failed!

I do not agree with this take on replacement theology.

No one made any sort of assertion in this thread.
 
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I never said they did, ANYWHERE. I said I have heard this in the church.

Well, I thought we were talking about what goes on in this thread. Do you have any specifics you'd like to share or are you content spewing generalities?
 
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Not really. You seem to have brought these charges against yourself for the reckless nature of your orignal post on this topic. It seemed out of place, targeted and unnecessary respecting the topic question as posed.

How was my post off topic? It was not in the least. That is entirely your own opinion.
 
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Well, I thought we were talking about what goes on in this thread. Do you have any specifics you'd like to share or are you content spewing generalities?

Why is it that just because a person has not experienced or heard something in the church they presume it does not exist?

It's not the first time someone here has implied I am a liar however.

Yes, I have heard it. You can choose to believe it or not, I really don't care.

And no, I did not have a secretary handy at the time to record the conversations so that I would have a transcript available to show you years in the future when this conversation would take place. :doh:
 
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How was my post off topic?

Beccause neither my post, nor the one before it, which was the OP had the slightess inclination as to what you asserted in your post. Your post seemed off base then in that regard.

It was not in the least.

That is entirely your own opinion.

That is entirely your own opinion.

As a matter of fact, yes it is.
 
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Sorry, I have reported the right one.

I trust then you will work hard to clear my name in that I have done nothing to you.

You put me unnecessarily in the way of the moderators of this board . Please be more careful.

Apology accepted BTW.
 
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My post was entirely on topic in regards to the Jews being rejected by Jesus.

But the Jews in general weren't rejected by Jesus. Just the general prevailing leadership. Many Jews accepted Christ.

Replacement theology asserts exactly that.

No, 'replacement' theology does not teach the rejection of the Jewish people. It merely suggests that the Body of Christ, which is the church, has been given the duty and responsibility to proclaim Jesus' name to all the nations.
 
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The op is not about replacement theology and the sda church. I do believe derailing a thread is still a rule violation, please stay on topic or create another thread to discuss replacement theology and the Sda church.

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Here's a post to put it back on topic:

Mt 26:59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;

Thanks for bringing the discussion back on point and thanks for the Bible verse that clearly shows that it wasn't "all" the Jews that rejected the Messiah, but rather just the main religious leadership of the Jewish nation.
 
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To clarify this...

The jews as a nation by their constant backsliding and rejection to the God's pleas of repentance and finally the rejection of the Messiah, had forfeited their claim to be God's people and the promise.

There is a wealth of scriptural support on this. If anyone doubts and wants to see, I can post them.

However, Jesus has not closed the avenue of salvation to the jewish people. Jews can be saved by accepting Jesus as their savior and Lord as everyone else.
 
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To clarify this...

The jews as a nation by their constant backsliding and rejection to the God's pleas of repentance and finally the rejection of the Messiah, had forfeited their claim to be God's people and the promise.

There is a wealth of scriptural support on this. If anyone doubts and wants to see, I can post them.

However, Jesus has not closed the avenue of salvation to the jewish people. Jews can be saved by accepting Jesus as their savior and Lord as everyone else.

Rom 11:1-36 Quote:
So I ask, "Has God rejected his people Israel?" That's unthinkable! Consider this. I'm an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham from the tribe of Benjamin. (2) God has not rejected his people whom he knew long ago. Don't you know what Elijah says in the Scripture passage when he complains to God about Israel? He says, (3) "Lord, they've killed your prophets and torn down your altars. I'm the only one left, and they're trying to take my life." (4) But what was God's reply? God said, "I've kept 7,000 people for myself who have not knelt to worship Baal." (5) So, as there were then, there are now a few left that God has chosen by his kindness. (6) If they were chosen by God's kindness, they weren't chosen because of anything they did. Otherwise, God's kindness wouldn't be kindness. (7) So what does all this mean? It means that Israel has never achieved what it has been striving for. However, those whom God has chosen have achieved it. The minds of the rest of Israel were closed, (8) as Scripture says, "To this day God has given them a spirit of deep sleep. Their eyes don't see, and their ears don't hear!" (9) And David says, "Let the table set for them become a trap and a net, a snare and a punishment for them. (10) Let their vision become clouded so that they cannot see. Let them carry back-breaking burdens forever." (11) So I ask, "Has Israel stumbled so badly that it can't get up again?" That's unthinkable! By Israel's failure, salvation has come to people who are not Jewish to make the Jewish people jealous. (12) The fall of the Jewish people made the world spiritually rich. Their failure made people who are not Jewish spiritually rich. So the inclusion of Jewish people will make the world even richer. (13) Now, I speak to you who are not Jewish. As long as I am an apostle sent to people who are not Jewish, I bring honor to my ministry. (14) Perhaps I can make my people jealous and save some of them. (15) If Israel's rejection means that the world has been brought back to God, what does Israel's acceptance mean? It means that Israel has come back to life. (16) If the first handful of dough is holy, the whole batch of dough is holy. If the root is holy, the branches are holy. (17) But some of the olive branches have been broken off, and you, a wild olive branch, have been grafted in their place. You get your nourishment from the roots of the olive tree. (18) So don't brag about being better than the other branches. If you brag, remember that you don't support the root, the root supports you. (19) "Well," you say, "Branches were cut off so that I could be grafted onto the tree." (20) That's right! They were broken off because they didn't believe, but you remain on the tree because you do believe. Don't feel arrogant, but be afraid. (21) If God didn't spare the natural branches, he won't spare you, either. (22) Look at how kind and how severe God can be. He is severe to those who fell, but kind to you if you continue to hold on to his kindness. Otherwise, you, too, will be cut off from the tree. (23) If Jewish people do not continue in their unbelief, they will be grafted onto the tree again, because God is able to do that. (24) In spite of the fact that you have been cut from a wild olive tree, you have been grafted onto a cultivated one. So wouldn't it be easier for these natural branches to be grafted onto the olive tree they belong to? (25) Brothers and sisters, I want you to understand this mystery so that you won't become arrogant. The minds of some Israelites have become closed until all of God's non-Jewish people are included. (26) In this way Israel as a whole will be saved, as Scripture says, "The Savior will come from Zion. He will remove godlessness from Jacob. (27) My promise to them will be fulfilled when I take away their sins." (28) The Good News made the Jewish people enemies because of you. But by God's choice they are loved because of their ancestors. (29) God never changes his mind when he gives gifts or when he calls someone. (30) In the past, you disobeyed God. But now God has been merciful to you because of the disobedience of the Jewish people. (31) In the same way, the Jewish people have also disobeyed so that God may be merciful to them as he was to you. (32) God has placed all people into the prison of their own disobedience so that he could be merciful to all people. (33) God's riches, wisdom, and knowledge are so deep that it is impossible to explain his decisions or to understand his ways. (34) "Who knows how the Lord thinks? Who can become his adviser?" (35) Who gave the Lord something which the Lord must pay back? (36) Everything is from him and by him and for him. Glory belongs to him forever! Amen!

I guess the question still remains, when we say reject what is it that we mean?
 
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