Is it a choice?

[Oonna]

Is being gay a choice?
I dont think it is. I never made that choice. Did you? The thought of being with another woman sexually...well to be honest is gives me the heebie jeebies. I dont think there is anything on this earth that could make me be with a woman minus violence or threats. I suppose this i why i have always believed that gay people are born that way. And if gay people are born gay, ( are you following the logic here) then this must be the way God wanted them right? So if God wanted gay people to be gay, why would he make it a "sin" to be the way he made them?

Why would he do that?

 

[The Nihilist]

God gave me a little funswitch I'm not supposed to touch, so there are probably a lot of christians who will disagree with you.

 

[The Nihilist]

What have you done? Now Spiderman will make everyone who reads the thread gay! Dangit, now I guess I have to start watching soccer.

 

[Oonna]

What have you done? Now Spiderman will make everyone who reads the thread gay!

Ya think???

 

[yguy]

Is being gay a choice?
I dont think it is. I never made that choice.

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And if gay people are born gay

False dichotomy. What homosexuals have chosen is to listen to a voice or voices, internal or external, which tell them to look for love from other people rather than from God. As a consequence they find themselves inordinately attracted to members of their own sex, where heteros who make the same mistake find themselves inordinately attracted to members of the opposite sex.

 

[Oonna]

False dichotomy. What homosexuals have chosen is to listen to a voice or voices, internal or external, which tell them to look for love from other people rather than from God. As a consequence they find themselves inordinately attracted to members of their own sex, where heteros who make the same mistake find themselves inordinately attracted to members of the same sex.

So we arnt supposed to love people? And everyone who dosent love God is gay?

 

[The Nihilist]

See what I mean?

 

[Oonna]

See what I mean?

Hmmppfft

 

[yguy]

So we arnt supposed to love people?

No, we're not supposed to look for love from other people. We only look for it because we need it; and if we need it, we don't have it to give.

And everyone who dosent love God is gay?

I'll let you figure that one out.

 

[wanderingone]

I don't think it's usually a choice. I don't actually care if it is. I personally don't see why someone would want to force themselves to be attracted to a gender they are not naturally attracted to but I can't see why it would matter to me unless they were inclined to say it's something everyone should do.

I can see the potential for people who are bisexual to choose to pursue relationships with only one gender.. but I'm not bisexual so I don't know how difficult that would be either and I wouldn't be inclined to say that because someone can be attracted to people who are male OR female they should be forced to only form relationships with someone who is the opposite gender.

I never made a choice to be straight. I just am. I have no reason to imagine that my daughter woke up one day and said "Hey I think I'd like to make my middle and high school years even harder than they are already likely to be, I think I'll be gay!"

I figure that just as I started getting all those hormonal troubles in response to boys when I was a kid she started getting them too, only in response to girls. It's not troubling to me, and for those who think it's a problem, heck, just keep your kids away from mine.. when one of them turns out gay even though you kept them secure in their straight bubble you won't be able to claim my kid rubbed off on yours.

 

[wanderingone]

No, we're not supposed to look for love from other people. We only look for it because we need it; and if we need it, we don't have it to give.

I take it you don't believe in having a relationship then. Because generally humans need affection, love, touch. Many infants literally shrivel up and don't thrive when deprived of human touch, and those who don't suffer failture to thrive often develop some interesting personality disorders.

 

[selfinflikted]

Some people do choose to be gay. I can't understand their reason, but they are out there. I, however, never made a conscious choice to be gay.

 

[yguy]

I take it you don't believe in having a relationship then.

Incorrect.

Because generally humans need affection, love, touch. Many infants literally shrivel up and don't thrive when deprived of human touch, and those who don't suffer failture to thrive often develop some interesting personality disorders.

Of course, because we start out in life needing that kind of attention and validation. We're sure as heck not supposed to end up that way.

 

[selfinflikted]

Incorrect.Of course, because we start out in life needing that kind of attention and validation. We're sure as heck not supposed to end up that way.

I do not agree with this. Everyone needs a certain amount of love and affection, imo. I don't see why you think we wouldn't, or that it would be a negative thing.

 

[yguy]

I do not agree with this. Everyone needs a certain amount of love and affection, imo. I don't see why you think we wouldn't, or that it would be a negative thing.

As I said earlier, to the extent that you need love, you can't give it - even though there are many who fool themselves into thinking they're giving when they're really taking.

 

[The Nihilist]

Ok guys, here's what he's saying. Only two people who don't need love can be in love, but neither is interested in being loved because they don't need it. Basically, the perfect relationship is (fornication) buddies.

 

[selfinflikted]

As I said earlier, to the extent that you need love, you can't give it - even though there are many who fool themselves into thinking they're giving when they're really taking.

So, I have fooled myself into thinking I am being loving (to my partner), because I have a love deficiency? That's.. interesting. Though, I'm glad you know me better than I do. I'll just go find a nice, sturdy beam to hang myself from now.

 

[yguy]

So, I have fooled myself into thinking I am being loving

I never said that about you specifically.

(to my partner), because I have a love deficiency? That's.. interesting. Though, I'm glad you know me better than I do. I'll just go find a nice, sturdy beam to hang myself from now.

Why?

 

[selfinflikted]

As I said earlier, to the extent that you need love, you can't give it - even though there are many who fool themselves into thinking they're giving when they're really taking.

I never said that about you specifically.

Sorry, It just seemed that when you said "you", that you were adressing me specifically.

Why?

Obviously, the last part included just a touch of sarcasm.

 

[Beanieboy]

At one time, back in the 70s and 80s, gay people claimed that it wasn't a choice. Religious folks said that it clearly was, that no one is born gay. The University of Minnesota did Twin Studies about this issue, and found that there was a physical component. Religious folks either claimed that science was denying God, that the studies were lying, and I'm sure "liberal propaganda" slipped out of someone's mouth, although the studies were approved before peers for accuracy.

Of those who were anti-gay but decided to actually believe the truth, and something that gays have been saying all along, then it became a choice of how one is going to live their life, focusing on homosexuals and demanding celibacy, and ignoring sexually active single heterosexuals, and saying very little about it.

Some chose to quote Cameron, who has been shown to have false data, poor practices in procedure of his studies, and accused of misrepresenting, (or bearing false witness.)
"In 1996, the Board of Directors of the Canadian Psychological Association approved a position statement disassociating the organisation from Cameron's work on sexuality, stating that he had "consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism". http://www.cpa.ca/aboutcpa/policystatements/
Yet, these same people will present these misrepresentations/lies as fact, and see no sin in it.

Biblically, they will ignore the extensive research that indicates that the bible does not condemn homosexuality as they say it does, and again, ignore the sin of lying (that it doesn't exist), of saying the bible says something that it doesn't, claiming that the bible has never changed (slavery was once thought moral because of the bible), etc.

So, there is no winning the argument with those who have no intention of edifying, but simply edifying themselves by condemning others. Jesus himself could come down and say, "I didn't say that" and they would argue that he was wrong, as the Pharisees, the holy ones who claimed to worship God, did.

They will argue that a law is a law, and not take into context of when, who was speaking, to whom, stress 2 verses in Leviticus, and ignore the rest, and argue that there doesn't have to be a reason. They won't even look at a gay relationship, won't listen to the support and love given and received, and reduce it to sex.

So, the question is it a choice? The question is moot to people that promote lies, and won't listen, and claim to know God like the back of their hand.