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Is homosexuality a sin?

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jsustik

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Yes it is.Homosexuality is a choice to sin against God,he said its an abomination in Genesis.He created men and women differently to reproduce,he gave that command in Genesis.One thing I have to say though,he didnt however tell us to hate them.No more than a thief,liar or any other sin.We are to love and pray for them,and let God deal with them,that doesnt mean we have to say what life they have chosen is ok,in fact we are told to not go after people who choose to live ungodly lives.
 
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The entire chapter talks about several sins of similarity.

Lev 20-12 - If a man lies with a daughter-in-law both of them shall be put to death

So it's not a wanton verse but you made the arguement that it is forced sex well...

13- If a man lies with a man as with a woman both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.

No matter how you try to spin it the intent is pretty well set. and if you meant consesual sex is OK, than maybe check.

Levitcus 20 :16 if a woman goes up to any animal to mate with it, the woman and the animal shall be slain; their lives are forfeit.

So in 16 it is even any kind consensual or forced act of bestiality is condemned.


You can try Spinning your tires in the mud all you want but you won't move anywhere without proper traction.
 
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Homosexuality is no more a choice than eye color. And where in Genesis did God state that homosexuality is an abomination?

I should also point out that the Hebrew for abomination was not used in the same fashion as we use the term today. Jews used the term to refer to actions by non-Jews which they found inappropriate or unseemingly Jew-like.
 
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In both 20:12 and 13, the word for lie is Shakab - which is the Hebrew word used to denote non-consensual sex. The word in 20:16 is raba, which is only used in relation to sleeping with animals.

Two entirely different words, 2 entirely different meanings.
 
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. God creates us, He makes us who we are- ...

I do not believe God would deliberately make someone born with a sin they cannot escape from.

I agree that God would not have us tempted beyond our ability to resist.

But....

What evidence do you have for the assertion that we are born the way God wants us to be born? I have asked others, what makes people think that we are born "the way" God wants us to be. Christian dogma states that we are all born tainted by original sin, does that mean God wanted it that way? Some are born it seems with an orientation towards pre-pubescent or adolescent children. Was that what God wanted?

Please don't misunderstand I do not wish to compare homosexuals with pedophiles in any way except that it is an orientation like heterosexuality. Not all who are sexually attracted to children end up victimizing children. (nor do the vast majority of homosexuals ever victimize their partners.) I sympathize with these folks (pedophiles) as they have a sexual attraction which has a far worse stigma attached than anyone else, one they cannot ever legally act upon and can ruin their lives even if never acted upon.

It is true that most are born heterosexual, some are born homosexual, some bisexual and others with attractions to children (in many different forms pedophilia, hebephilia, etc. Some even with an attraction to animals.

Considering that it is likely that all of these are orientations that people are born with it seems unlikely to me that God determines our orientation. It makes no sense to me that God would "create" a person to have sexual attraction to infants for example.

For those of us who are Christians I would like to remind all of us that we are called to treat ALL with love, love requires respect, let's not look at those who disagree with us as opponents but as fellow human beings.
 
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As one scholar put it: It's hard to quote 2 laws of Leviticus as something that others should follow when the same Christian doesn't follow the other laws, nor have even probably read the whole book.

But that said, let's look at the translation according to people who have researched it. Here, chapter 20, when looked at in context with chapter 18, suggests that 20:13 is actually talking about worshipping other Gods. It is important to look at the full context, who was being spoken to, who was speaking, and why. To simple lift a verse fully out of context is irresponsible.


The Bible & Homosexuality - Leviticus Chapters 18 & 20
 
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From the whosoever.org site

 
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From ReligiousTolerance.org

 
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More from ReligiousTolerance
 
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On translation showing how the meaning can change when translated into English with English understanding from ReligiousTolerance

 
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The thing is, Beanie, that no explanation of the TRUTH surrounding the Leviticus texts will be accepted by those whose sole and inner desire is to condemn homosexuality. It's because people WANT to condemn homosexuality that they do so and it has NOTHING to do with what the scriptures might say ...no matter how regularly they may wave the Bible under the noses of homosexuals. They (most) will simply ignore the above indepth study of Leviticus simply because it would rob them of their most powerful weapon of condemnation toward homosexuality. If they lose Leviticus then they've probably also lost other perceived 'anti-homosexual' NT texts. They NEED Leviticus. Even so, I'd be most interested to see someone apply their own 'truth' to the meaning of Leviticus and see how it stands up against what you presented above. Is there anyone open to the challenge?

Because I know people, I know that in a few pages time, Leviticus will again be raised to condemn homosexuality.
 
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I know. The same people.
So, my conclusion? They don't want to know the truth. They don't want to question their own understanding and refuse to consider that they may be wrong on the issue.

One Christian pleaded with me to repent from homosexuality. I told her that I have taken it to God in prayer a lot, and will continue to do so, and asked if she could do the same, acknowledging that she might be wrong, and in her prayer, listen, and I would do the same.

She said, "Why should I?"

I asked her what she had to lose, because we both wanted to follow God, and we both wanted to edify the other. If she was wrong, she would understand the truth more, if she was right, she would be more certain.

She still refused, even after I promised that I would, and did.

So, I would be foolish to listen to anyone who insists that they have all the answers that they won't even listen to the very God they claim to follow.
 
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I'm having serious trouble following the line of reasoning about how the Biblical meaning of homosexuality went from playing tiddly winks to anal sex over thousands of years.

The Catholic Church has a huge archive containing some of the most ancient texts and artifacts out there. They also happen to have some of the best minds studying those things. They also happen to be a place where homosexuals chose to go to make a living. Do you honestly think that if there was even the slightest chance that homosexuality was okay with God per the Bible, that the Catholic Church wouldn't be shouting it from the roof tops?

Or maybe God inspired you to be wiser than all of them put together so you could come up with a loop hole?
 
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I'm having serious trouble following the line of reasoning about how the Biblical meaning of homosexuality went from playing tiddly winks to anal sex over thousands of years.
You're having trouble understanding the fact that the people who translated the Bible are human, and thus, are completely capable of being biased in their method of translation, and are also capable of making mistakes? What's so hard to understand about that?

The Catholic Church, like every other Christian denomination on Earth, is made up of human beings who are capable of hatred. What makes you think they don't just hate gays, and they haven't been using the Bible as an excuse for that hatred for thousands of years?

Or maybe God inspired you to be wiser than all of them put together so you could come up with a loop hole?
Do you have any proof that God exists, and that he is wise? If not, then your point is moot.
 
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I'm having serious trouble following the line of reasoning about how the Biblical meaning of homosexuality went from playing tiddly winks to anal sex over thousands of years.

I wouldn't be TOO seriously troubled about it if I were you. Galileo, while not being entirely accurate about the physics involved in the cosmos, DID know that the sun did not revolve around the earth. He was therefore charged and sentenced by the Church as a heretic. Back then the 'wise ones' of the Church believed that the sun revolved around the earth, thanks to the text in Joshua (10:13) where it claims that the sun stood still.

Were you just as seriously troubled when 'some of the best minds' of the Vatican claimed in the 1990s - some 400 years after the Galileo affair - that Galileo WAS right after all in that the sun DOES NOT orbit the earth ...?
 
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So you are now claiming that God's acceptance of homosexuality is a law of science that somehow got by everyone who ever studied scripture, or science for that matter, until a couple homosexual guys got together who wanted to religiously justify what they were doing?

Well, in that case go ahead and use the scientific method to prove your point.
 
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