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Is God's Love Conditional or Unconditional?
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God is the great physician He doesn't sit around hoping fallible broken people dig their way out of their ignorance. The definition of a savior is to save. The definition of a physician is to cure. Think over multiple passages. Here is one to start with; Paul the serial killer of Christians. He didn't seek Christ willingly.
Even though I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an arrogant man. But I received mercy because I acted out of ignorance in unbelief".(1 Timothy 1:13)
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I did not ask for a sermon, but would the Father still Love the son or not, with the obvious answer is: “the father would still Love the son.”
All I am showing is: God can still Love people, who of their own free will and with full knowledge of the father (God) and knowledge of their situation, continue to refuse to accept His Love as pure undeserving charity, if my analogy is possible. I see this analogy happening today. I see God as being very active (like the father in the prodigal son story), but the individual has a very limited amount of free will, which God allows the individual to use to become like God Himself, in that he obtains Godly type Love through (Luke 7) he that is forgiven much Loves much.
There are, very few “Saul/Paul” in this world and Saul was not a serial killer. Saul during his blind waiting, could have wanted to and reasoned, he had heat stroke, was blinded by the sun, fell off his horse and had a really bad dream. It was up to Saul to believe this really happened and he had lots of reasons to believe this did not happen.
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Thank you. I wasn't attempting a sermon but a reply. Like Paul many who hate Christ will have a genuine encounter and will fail to resist Him. As Paul testifies this is the faithfulness of Christ.
Paul was not having a dream, other people present heard Christ as well.
Acts 9:3-7
3As Saul drew near to Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?”5“Who are You, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” He replied.a 6“Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”7The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless. They heard the voice but did not see anyone.
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Humans trick themselves into rationalizing away and justifying their irrational conclusions, Saul/Paul could do the same.
The OP question is God’s Love conditional or unconditional, I am just showing with an example of the Prodigal son, God’s Love is unconditional, since God would continue to Love the son even if the son did not return.
Just because God’s Love is unconditional does not mean a person with limited autonomous free will, choose to humbly accept that Love/Charity as pure undeserved charity.
You really need to understand man’s earthly objective, since God is allowing or doing everything to help man fulfill his objective.
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I will stay with the testimony of Paul and his testimony of the faithfulness of Christ. This is not a human trick but is the infallible word of God.
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I am not questioning what actually happened and was recorded, but what could have happened to make Saul/Paul's choice a real free will choice.
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Yes, I understand why you would need to qualify Paul’s experience. Initially you mentioned it was a dream to fit the model of Paul coming to Christ, this of course was reading into the text. Other witnesses heard Christ, making the dream theory obtuse. Paul, did not willing seek out Christ, this is made perfectly clear by Paul Himself.
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