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"Nothing in God's word suggests we should think of Creation as inifinitely valuable."
Agreed that a man should not think more of himself than he ought, but God thought of man enough to breathe life into his nostrils; and loved the world enough to send Yeshua to die for it. God gives us eternal life. How long is eternal?
To say that God's Word does not speak of the Value He places on it is at best inaccurate.
"Nothing in God's word suggests we should think of Creation as inifinitely valuable."
Agreed that a man should not think more of himself than he ought, but God thought of man enough to breathe life into his nostrils; and loved the world enough to send Yeshua to die for it. God gives us eternal life. How long is eternal?
To say that God's Word does not speak of the Value He places on it is at best inaccurate.
Please read more carefully. I said God does not think of Creation as infinitely valuable.
What value we possess derives from our Creator. We are not independently valuable, or valuable apart from being made by God in His image. Without God, we have no value whatever.
I suppose. But so far I haven't seen any good reason to think your theory is valid but can think of good reasons why it isn't. Be careful you don't massage your unproven theory into something more than it is.
"There will be a sudden rush to buy farms, ranches, and homes in the country.
Thousands will attempt to flee from cities, hoping that a return to the land and
nature will provide security. There will be a growing urge to "get away from it
all"---and much money will be invested in land and acreage in rural areas by
people who have secret dreams of raising their own food and cattle and of
becoming self-supporting. The price of open rural land will continue to soar.
Acreage within 100 miles of most major cities will skyrocket out of reach to
all but syndicates." (David Wilkerson, The Vision, page 18,19).
God the Father: "Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the whole world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God" - Psalm 90:2
God the Son: "Bethlehem Ephrathah, you are small among the clans of Judah; One will come from you to be ruler over Israel for Me. His origin is from antiquity, from eternity" - Micah 5:2
God the Holy Spirit: "how much more will the blood of the Messiah, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works to serve the living God?" - Hebrews 9:14
"Pulling and gravitation, which resemble basic feminine traits, are the dominant properties of the magnetic loop. Consequently, magnetic loops have a capacity for storing energy and act to maintain the structural integrity of the entire wave formation. The electronic/energetic loop consists of expanding properties that disperse energetic matter that “disappears” into space. This is synonymous with masculine characteristics." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)
Did God exist from infinite time in the past?
If so.... what was God doing?
There is a saying that "It's the economy s.....!" This question actually
has a relationship with the economy and money because...... .if.....
God existed from eternity in the past and if God..........
actually planned, engineered and choreographed an essentially infinite
number of Big Bang type events......(they might actually might have been more
like a Big Flash though)...... .then..... investing infinite time in the past in the
creation........ could make the creation infinitely valuable to God.......
but we humans are so young...... that we place relatively low value on our
lives and even less value on the lives of others...... and even less value than that
on the lives of animals, birds, fish and plants.
Very nice......
there is a theory out there that perhaps.......
just perhaps.....
the Holy Spirit / The Comforter.... may be identifiable with The Divine Feminine / G-d the Mother.......
Perhaps..... just perhaps......
the Ancient of Days the Father is composed of fundamental energy Super Strings.....
and perhaps.... just perhaps.....
The Holy Spirit may be composed of fundamental energy Super Waves.... or as Dr. Chaim Tejman terms it..... Super Energetic Matter......
Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex
The body of flesh is a tent, a vessel/container for the spirit. What it perceives with the five sense is from a different place than spirit alive within. The flesh profits nothing. There are two minds within...our own/man and Christ. Duality within...that has great e/affect on perceiving truth. One creates an image, the other reveals the image (in truth) of who we are. One is God consciousness, the other is asleep and waking up (perceiving from where they are within the process taking place inwardly)...I do take the city quite literally......
and I suspect that the literal New Jerusalem will come down perhaps around the year 3030......
but I could be incorrect.....
or perhaps the city comes down but can only be viewed by those of us who are no longer mortal??????
I personally believe that during the Era of Moshiach / The Millennium...... every word from Ezekiel 40 - 48 will be fulfilled literally.........
but also metaphorically........
So I believe in a literal rebuild Jerusalem Third Temple....
and I believe in a literal river of water flowing from the temple
that restores life to the areas where it flows........
but I also believe that each Christian and Messianic Jew is also a type of the Temple and.....
by that time living water will be flowing from each of us.........
This gets so big that the least Christian will be at a higher level of wisdom, understanding, self-control, love, truth and power than John the Baptist......
I suspect that at the time that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus told his disciples that the time was coming when all Christians would be greater than John the Baptist that this would shock his disciples?
Luke 7:28
"For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he."
Probably at the same time that this verse is fulfilled this other prediction by the Prophet Zechariah will also come to pass:
Zechariah 12:8
In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them."
Sounds like some very weird theories that are in the world! It is of interest that when Jesus speaks of the Holy Spirit as "another Comforter", that He uses the Greek "παράκλητος" which is in the masculine gender (John 14:16, etc), and the personal pronoun, "ἐκεῖνος", which is also masculine in gender. The Greek word for "Spirit" is "πνεῦμα", which is neuter in gender, and according to the Greek grammatical rules of "attraction of gender", Jesus would have been expected to have used ""το παρακλτον", (the Comforter), and "ἐκεῖνο", both which are neuter. The fact that Jesus uses the masculine to refer to the Holy Spirit, when the neuter would have sufficed, as this would have still shown the Holy Spirit to be a Personal Being, to to further show that in the Godhead, the Three Persons are MASCULINE. Thus, the Holy Spirit according to Jesus Himself, is a masculine Person, as is the Father, and He Himself.
Yes time is created as it is written: "In the beginning [...]"Absolutely true.......
actually I now think of TIME as an invention.........
as a device created by God to assist angels and humans to
learn over time.... .to place higher and higher and higher value
on the lives of others....... and even on our own lives.
I think of time as something of an invention like a car, or buggy for a horse,
or boat or yacht, or a plane or jet or space shuttle.........
that is designed to transport humans from point A to point B.
God exits outside the confines of time. God's Day is from darkness/night to light/morning (much like the process taking place within/journey of our soul)... before the sun, moon and stars were created on the the fourth day. Which has to do with our perception as it relates to the question asked to Adam, "Where art thou?"Time is created and God is not so no. Did God Not exist from infinite time in the past.
God exits outside the confines of time. God's Day is from darkness/night to light/morning (much like the process taking place within/journey of our soul)... before the sun, moon and stars were created on the the fourth day. Which has to do with our perception as it relates to the question asked to Adam, "Where art thou?"
Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.Yes time is created as it is written: "In the beginning [...]"
These first three words of Genesis prove that time is created and that before it's creation only eternity existed.
Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
The sun to mark time as man knows it did not come until the 4th day.
Verse 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Eternal (lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning) life and our perception are relative to this truth of how man sees and God.
The problem with this that time as Being counted from the beginning for Genesis 1:1 indicates the beginning of time namely the first day of the week (v.5). You confuse the first day of the year with the first day of the week:Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
The sun to mark time as man knows it did not come until the 4th day.
Verse 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Eternal (lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning) life and our perception are relative to this truth of how man sees and God.
On the other hand..... Gap Theory and the evidence for it
implies that the sun may have been there.... but obscured by a cloud
of ash from the war in heaven where Satan and his one third of the angels attempted
a coup.
NDE of Dr. Richard Eby verifies old earth and gap theory.
The problem with this that time as Being counted from the beginning for Genesis 1:1 indicates the beginning of time namely the first day of the week (v.5). You confuse the first day of the year with the first day of the week:
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_________01 02 03 04
Genesis 1:1- 2:3 gives us the beginning of God's Solar Calendar
May I quote you on this even into other forums?
I assume I can credit this to Saved.By.Grace?
This is interesting indeed and I am one of those strange people who likes to cover both sides of an argument......... or even prove myself wrong in a previously held theory..... .if possible.
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