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Extrapolate backwards the 1.5 inches per year and the moon’s orbit would be on the surface of the earth.
Like I said, no explanation, just conspiracy theories.
The moon has been drifting away from Earth for 4.5 billion years. A stunning animation shows how far it has gone.
"The moon is moving away from Earth at a rate of 3.8 centimeters (1.5 inches) per year."
How Far Away Is the Moon? | NASA Space Place – NASA Science for Kids
"The Moon is an average of 238,855 miles away from Earth"
238,855 miles x 63,360 inches/1 mile = 15.13 billion inches.
15.13billion inches /1.5 inches per year = 10 billion years.
There are no mathematical issues here. If you assumed 1 billion year answer to your math, then you're doing something wrong. Given a constant rate of recession, there would be 10 billion years before the moon were to touch earth if we were to rewind time, not 1 billion.
Your simplistic calculations are apparently bogus, since peer reviewed articles say the moon’s recession rate gives an age of 1.5 billion years, whereas the accepted age is 4.5 billion.
To whit:
Abstract
Dissipation of tidal energy causes the Moon to recede from the Earth. The currently measured rate of recession implies that the age of the Lunar orbit is 1500 My old, but the Moon is known to be 4500 My old. Consequently, it has been proposed that tidal energy dissipation was weaker in the Earth's past, but explicit numerical calculations are missing for such long time intervals. Here, for the first time, numerical tidal model simulations linked to climate model output are conducted for a range of paleogeographic configurations over the last 252 My. We find that the present is a poor guide to the past in terms of tidal dissipation: the total dissipation rates for most of the past 252 My were far below present levels. This allows us to quantify the reduced tidal dissipation rates over the most resent fraction of lunar history, and the lower dissipation allows refinement of orbitally-derived age models by inserting a complete additional precession cycle.
1. Introduction
Tidally induced energy dissipation in the earth and ocean gradually slows the Earth's rotation rate, changes Earth and lunar orbital parameters, and increases the Earth–Moon separation (Darwin, 1899, Munk, 1968). A long-standing conundrum exists in the evolution of the Earth–Moon system relating to the present recession rate of the moon and its age: if present day observed dissipation rates are representative of the past, the moon must be younger than 1500 Ma (Hansen, 1982, Sonett, 1996). This does not fit the age model of the solar system, putting the age of the moon around 4500 Ma (Hansen, 1982, Sonett, 1996, Walker and Zahnle, 1986, Canup and Asphaug, 2001, Waltham, 2004), and the possibility that the tidal dissipation rates have changed significantly over long time periods has been proposed (Hansen, 1982, Ooe, 1989, Poliakov, 2005, Green and Huber, 2013, Williams et al., 2014).
Source: Explicitly modelled deep-time tidal dissipation and its implication for Lunar history - ScienceDirect
Animals did die before the fall and populated the earth.
As well as early man that was spiritually transformed to life.
Adam was transformed into a living soul by God who choose
to modify man into His own spiritual image. It was a big plan.
When God said "Let us make man into our image"
The root word is actually "Re-make".
Genesis 2:15And your scriptural back up that statement?
Genesis 2:15
Then the Lord God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it.
Genesis 3:23
therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.
Genesis 4:2
Again, she gave birth to his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of flocks, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Genesis 3:17-19
Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’;
Cursed is the ground because of you;
In toil you will eat of it
All the days of your life.
“Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you;
And you will eat the plants of the field;
By the sweat of your face
You will eat bread,
Till you return to the ground,
Because from it you were taken;
For you are dust,
And to dust you shall return.”
Source: 20 Bible verses about Tilling The Soil
Dirt for a fully functioning garden was not in plastic bags.
Dirt is mostly dead organic materials. Vegetation and dead animals.
What about Chuck Norris?It's worth mentioning that there is no perfect human. To be a perfect human is to be human, have human failings, and to die. And Jesus was aging.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
6 days.
God himself is outside of time, but he created time for us so we could understand days, weeks, months and years.
Scripture repeats each day with evening and morning and counts days and then repeats 6 days in Exodus because this is what God wants us to know, that from our perspective 6 days passed. It isn't yet for us to know what time bending things happened as God created. Instead we have his word which flies against what man would rather believe in-evolution and billions of years. Is his word enough to simply trust or do we look to science, our senses(Like Peter when he walked on water) or quibble over exact word meanings and try and reinterpret it.
David Plaisted is the author of the articles posted at the website linked to above. He is a computer scientist who has no formal education in any of the natural sciences, and he has no formal education in any field of Biblical studies. Being inexcusably ignorant of both the Bible and the natural sciences, he became seduced by young earth creationism and is making a fool of himself by writing about things concerning which he has no factual knowledge. Moreover, the correct age of the earth cannot be measured by studying the center of the earth, but can be and has been accurately measured as described in detail in an excellent article written from a conservative evangelical perspective:Professor Gary E. Parker, ex evolutionist, exposed the radiometric dating game, and convergence.
Due to fractionation in magma chambers, where lead in the magma settles down into lower levels, when magma is released and becomes lava, the lava that becomes rock shows a big difference in age between the start of the flow, and the end of the flow.
A given magma flow is all the same lava, and all of it is the same age, but the radiometric dating age will vary widely between the beginning of the flow and the end of it.
They then start with the date they want it to have, then keep testing samples until they get one that shows the age they want, or an age they are willing to accept, and throw out the other dates.
Convergence occurs because they do the same thing with all the various dating methods, and only use the dates they want, throw out the rest, then use that as proof that radiometric dating is accurate.
And they also can take a sample of rock from the area of rock they found that tests to the date they will accept, and take that to different labs to “”confirm” the accuracy of radiometric dating
Here’s a university.edu website showing the many problems with radiometric dating, in great detail:
More Bad News for Radiometric Dating
He tends to be anxious. On edge.What about Chuck Norris?
Lots of verses but none say "Animals died before the fall and populated the earth."
You need a verse saying that ^ if this is what you claim scripture says.
You can't build a doctrine out of silence.
-God created everything at an adult level.
-Trees were fully grown not seedlings,
-Adam and Eve were adults, animals were ready to procreate.
-God will not be replenishing the soil there with the dead bodies of animals since death will be done away with.
Biblical death- nephesh, was and only is for creatures with a soul, these things do not have a soul so their passing does not count as 'death'.
All of this definition is about changing animals that already exists into man.
Nice spin attempt,The article more specifically declares the problem seeking to be resolved:
"if present day observed dissipation rates are representative of the past, the moon must be younger than 1500 Ma (Hansen, 1982, Sonett, 1996)."
So really this article comes down to a discussion of dissipation rates, and is not actually focused on recession.
The article further describes a solution for the problem, and ultimately concludes:
"Results from an established numerical tidal model suggest that the tidal dissipation during the Cenozoic and Late Cretaceous were weaker than at present, with the exception of the glacial states over the last 2 Ma. It is very likely that the Earth–Moon system is unusually dissipative at present. Consequently, the Moon's recession rate was slower in the deep past than predicted using PD dissipation rates, supporting the old-age Earth–Moon model."
In other words, dissipation was weaker in the past and therefore recession was slower, and thus the old-age earth-moon model accurately reflects reality.
Aka the moon is 4.5 billion years old old, as per this article.
Do you disagree with your own source?
If we ever doubted people are creative, all we have to do is look at the ways they contort themselves to interpret Genesis.
Nice spin attempt,
You did your calculations using today’s known rate and claimed ten billion years, yet today’s rates show 1.5 billion years - which is more that the 1 billion i was remembering research showing, but still problematic by 3 BY for the ToE.
And speculation as to why the calculations only show 1.5 BY, is far from proof that the discrepancy isn’t due to the moon being much younger than the claimed 4.3 BY by evolutionists. - however my main point now is that your calculations in triumphantly rebutting my post, were way off from what peer reviewed science shows.
Maranatha
I wondered where the Ex Nihilo idea came from and found it - unfounded.
Just looking up a word in Strong's isn't much of an argument against Ex Nihilo. It takes a little more scholarship than that. It depends on the version of Ex Nihilo you refer to - as always there isn't just one version. Some go too far, but in it's simplest form it's a very important theological point, and it has support from other Biblical passages. But I don't know where you're at on the theological spectrum. For the easy-breezy end of the scale, nothing is a big deal.
Hmmm. You are critical of my analysis using Strongs, but offer nothing.
You claim multiple versions of Ex Nihilo but produce none.
You suggest biblical support "from other Biblical passages" but cite zero.
You'll need more legs to stand on to ever become a paid critic.
Since you don't seem familiar with my approach, it's called courtesy. I was not attacking you, but explaining my view of your position. It is possible to disagree and remain polite. In so doing, rather than ignore what you've said, rushing in to greedily present my view, I patiently waited. I gave you the opportunity to reply to my objection. If you want to know my view and what supports it, all you have to do is ask.
Just looking up a word in Strong's isn't much of an argument against Ex Nihilo. It takes a little more scholarship than that. It depends on the version of Ex Nihilo you refer to - as always there isn't just one version. Some go too far, but in it's simplest form it's a very important theological point, and it has support from other Biblical passages. But I don't know where you're at on the theological spectrum. For the easy-breezy end of the scale, nothing is a big deal.
There is no scriptural support for the YEC position, in the original languages.
Strong's is fairly extensive. Nothing there even hints at "Ex Nihilo" a word not found in scripture. If "Ex Nihilo" was a fact, then the language used would not have multiple meanings.
As a former YEC, it took a good amount of research to change my views.
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