Is evolution real?

[emett22]

Okay. It still doesn't.

Yes it does. Christianity is very scientific, since science is just the means of which to determine the truth, and Christianity has claimed it is all about the truth and being for the truth, Christianity is thus scientific.

 

[pitabread]

Christianity is very scientific, since science is just the means of which to determine the truth, and Christianity has claimed it is all about the truth and being for the truth, Christianity is thus scientific.

Is this satire? Are we being Poe'd?

 

[driewerf]

Oh come on, you know there was a time where the consensus believed that the earth was flat

Hmm, no.

and were enforcing it.

No, not scientists. There weren't scientists in the modern sense of today, there were scholars, who just studied the bible and the writing of the Ancient Greek philosophers.

Wasn't there also a consensus in germany where the jews were believed to be inferior as well?

Again, not scientists.

You will not be called a scientist if you don't believe in the scientific consensus, and so when someone comes out against the consensus: they are not funded, and they are said to not be scientist, and they are not publicized by media or otherwise. Is this true or not?

Every great innovator tackled and rejected (a part of) the scientific consensus: Galileo, Isaac Newton, Niels Bohr, Max Planck, Albert Einstein and yes, Charles Darwin. But they knew what they were arguing about and they came forward with either evidence for their position or with a research program for testing and falsifying their theories. You and your fellow creationists haven't anything of this.

 

[driewerf]

Yes it does. Christianity is very scientific, since science is just the means of which to determine the truth, and Christianity has claimed it is all about the truth and being for the truth, Christianity is thus scientific.

So christianity can be falsified? What would falsify christianity?

 

[Strathos]

Once again we are dealing with an issue of semantics. Humans fit the scientific definition of animal but the colloquial definition usually excludes humans.

 

[Strathos]

So christianity can be falsified? What would falsify christianity?

Finding the body of Christ.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Yes you can answer the question, but you refuse to. Assuming the flood happened, is it possible that these were all variations of humans just like we see with the great variety of dogs, but we now don't see them anymore because they were wiped out (buried) and the variety we see now is from only a small group that survived. Is it possible?

If we lived in that counterfactual world where a flood happened, then the answer is no. If all those variations of humans lived at the same time, right up to the Flood, then their fossils should be jumbled all together. But they are not. They are organized into different layers and strata separated by hundreds of thousands of years.

 

[Larniavc]

I think large canyons carved out of the earth by the receding running water would be one.

Okay, let's go with that. If you turn out to be wrong about canyons being carved out by receding flood water will your position on the flood change?

 

[emett22]

Hmm, no.

No, not scientists. There weren't scientists in the modern sense of today, there were scholars, who just studied the bible and the writing of the Ancient Greek philosophers.

Again, not scientists.

Every great innovator tackled and rejected (a part of) the scientific consensus: Galileo, Isaac Newton, Niels Bohr, Max Planck, Albert Einsteinand yes, Charles Darwin. But they knew what they were arguing about and they came forward with either evidence for their position or with a research program for testing and falsifying their theories. You and your fellow creationists haven't anything of this.

Oh i'm sure the germans had plenty of people who called themselves scientists.

Okay, let's go with that. If you turn out to be wrong about canyons being carved out by receding flood water will your position on the flood change?

I have no idea lol

 

[Larniavc]

Oh i'm sure the germans had plenty of people who called themselves scientists.


I have no idea lol

So...... do you have any evidence for your assertion?

 

[Larniavc]

You will not be called a scientist if you don't believe in the scientific consensus, and so when someone comes out against the consensus: they are not funded, and they are said to not be scientist, and they are not publicized by media or otherwise. Is this true or not?

Not true. If one can support with evidence one's assertion you will become a celebrity over night. Causing a paradigm shift is the dream of every good scientist.

 

[Speedwell]

But do you really think that the ones in charge of the "scientific" community would support or publicize scientists who find evidence and develop hypothesis and theories in favor of a world wide flood? Their journals wouldn't get peer reviewed, and they would not be accepted as "scientists". Because the ones who run the scientific community wont call anyone a scientist unless they also believe or accept evolutionary theory.

The modern science of geology was founded iin the 18th and early 19th centuries by scientists, many of them Christian clergymen, trying to find evidence of worldwide flood. They finally had to give up, as hard as it was for them to do so, because there was just no evidence no matter how hard they tried to find it, and all that before Darwin or evolution. In fact, it was the work of these scientists which gave Darwin and others the thought that evolution might be possible. Scientifically, the worldwide flood has been a dead issue for two hundred years.

 

[driewerf]

Oh i'm sure the germans had plenty of people who called themselves scientists.

I have no idea lol

Sure, and a lot of them were jewish themselves, refused to cooperate with the nazi's, or helped jews to flee Europe. A few names like Albert Einstein, Leo Szilard, Lise Meither, Fritz Strassmann, benoit Mandelbrot, etc.

But you dodged the main point: the qualification of Jews as "untermenschen" was not a "scientific consensus", but a political racist move.

 

[driewerf]

I think adaptation is real like you've described, but not macro evolution where a cell turns into a mouse, which turns into a monkey, which turns into a human.

Do you really believe that the ToE states that a cell turns into a mouse? That a monkey turns into a human? If you open a textbook on evolution, do you really believe to read that?

 

[-57]

Did we transform into what we are today? Or were we created as such without having to transform.

Did humans transform from a lesser species...descent with modification...No. That's impossible.

Have humans "evolved"...yes. In fact humans have been de-evolving ever since the fall of Adam and Eve in the Gargen of Eden. Our DNA gets torn down more and more with each passing generation.

There is no increase in information in human or any other species DNA...unless you want to consider the removal of information as an increase of information.

 

[-57]

The modern science of geology was founded iin the 18th and early 19th centuries by scientists, many of them Christian clergymen, trying to find evidence of worldwide flood. They finally had to give up, as hard as it was for them to do so, because there was just no evidence no matter how hard they tried to find it, and all that before Darwin or evolution. In fact, it was the work of these scientists which gave Darwin and others the thought that evolution might be possible. Scientifically, the worldwide flood has been a dead issue for two hundred years.

What they were looking for was a layer of sediment that was world wide....they were applying the wrong model.

As time moved forward much geological evidence for a world wide flood has been established.

 

[-57]

It really doesn't. Especially given that most creationists have almost zero knowledge of the science they are up against.

Can you prove that statement to be correct?

 

[-57]

Okay, let's go with that. If you turn out to be wrong about canyons being carved out by receding flood water will your position on the flood change?

Not only canyons but water gaps spanning several mountain clearly indicate water flowed over the mountains and cut out the gaps....Old Earth geologist have no annswer to this problem.

Click here for an interesting article on the subject.

 

[emett22]

Do you really believe that the ToE states that a cell turns into a mouse? That a monkey turns into a human? If you open a textbook on evolution, do you really believe to read that?

Yes, that is what I read. We all came from a single celled organism according to the textbooks didn't we?

 

[emett22]

Sure, and a lot of them were jewish themselves, refused to cooperate with the nazi's, or helped jews to flee Europe. A few names like Albert Einstein, Leo Szilard, Lise Meither, Fritz Strassmann, benoit Mandelbrot, etc.

But you dodged the main point: the qualification of Jews as "untermenschen" was not a "scientific consensus", but a political racist move.

Which was apparently backed up by scientists in germany.