Is evolution real?

[JohnB445]

Did we transform into what we are today? Or were we created as such without having to transform.

 

[Strathos]

Yes, it's 'real', but it does not involve 'transforming'.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Did we transform into what we are today? Or were we created as such without having to transform.

Adaptation is real. Evolution is not. If mankind evolved, sin is meaningless. There is no need for a saviour because animals do not sin. How can man be made in God's image if he is just a glorified ape, descended from a single cell? "Created" is not "evolved" no matter which way you try to distort the definitions.

 

[Occams Barber]

Adaptation is real. Evolution is not. If mankind evolved, sin is meaningless. There is no need for a saviour because animals do not sin. How can man be made in God's image if he is just a glorified ape, descended from a single cell? "Created" is not "evolved" no matter which way you try to distort the definitions.

Can you explain what adaptions are possible and what are not possible? Some examples would be good.

I'd also be interested in the physical mechanism(s) which cause this adaptive change to happen.

Finally (for now) - can an adaptive change be passed on to the next generation?

OB

 

[essentialsaltes]

Did we transform into what we are today? Or were we created as such without having to transform.

Lines of solid evidence demonstrate that we evolved from earlier precursors.

 

[pitabread]

Because it's stupid, is not based in reality, and does not work.

And yet the Theory of Evolution has real world applications to the point that some companies have even been granted patents for applications based on it.

Odd, that.

 

[pitabread]

Nothing new has been uncovered in the time since has caused geologists to change their minds.

Not only that, but the idea of a global flood (as proposed by creationists) runs afoul of basic physics.

 

[coffee4u]

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Its no point asking an atheist about the flood, they don't believe in the flood.

What we see there are some nicely arranged skulls, they could be apes, they could be human, they could be both. They do not show the story of evolution.

Humans with differently shaped skulls than those available today would have died out during the flood. Only 8 people were on board the ark. There could have been other races then the three skull types we have today.

There are also many types of conditions that affect the shape of skulls so some may be diseased humans.

God made us in his own image
Genesis 1:26-27
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

 

[JIMINZ]

Did we transform into what we are today? Or were we created as such without having to transform.

NO.

Lines of solid evidence demonstrate that we evolved from earlier precursors.

I don't think so.

 

[VirOptimus]

Did we transform into what we are today? Or were we created as such without having to transform.

Evolution=observed phenomena.

The theory of evolution=explains how it works.

Common descent=conclusion from ToE and data.

Think of it like gravity and the theory of gravity.

 

[JIMINZ]

Evolution=observed phenomena.

The theory of evolution=explains how it works.

Common descent=conclusion from ToE and data.

Think of it like gravity and the theory of gravity.

Are you saying that Newton threw an Orange into the air and when it came down, Gravity caused it to Evolve into an Apple?

 

[VirOptimus]

Are you saying that Newton threw an Orange into the air and when it came down, Gravity caused it to become an Apple?

No, cant you read?

 

[Kylie]

No, evolution is not real, not at all how the worlds appointed men who are called "scientists" describe it to be. Because it's stupid, is not based in reality, and does not work. Figure out how a cell works, how DNA works, how proteins are formed. This did not happen by random chance. These things are more complicated and efficient than anything man can produce, and we're supposed to believe that this just fell together in place?

I guess I'm thinking more of the origin of things described by evolutionists, but it's insanely stupid

Your last sentence seems to negate the rest of your post.

In any case, I'd like to ask if you agree with the following:

1. Do you agree that if you have a group of animals - say a herd of zebra - then each individual will be slightly different to the others?
2. Do you agree that some of those differences can make it easier for that individual to survive - say, better eyesight so it has a better chance of spotting an approaching predator?
3. Do you agree that these differences are due to the genes that the animals have?
   
4. Do you agree that the genes that are responsible for these differences can be passed on to the offspring when that animal reproduces?
5. Do you agree that if an animal has some genes that mean it has a difference that helps it survive, this animal is more likely to have more offspring precisely because these differences help it live longer (living longer means more chances to reproduce)?
6. Do you agree that if animals with these helpful differences produce more offspring, then the number of animals in the herd that have this helpful difference will tend to increase over the generations?
7. Do you agree that if we wait for enough generations to pass, most if not all animals in the herd will have this difference, and what was once different is now normal?

Because that's evolution.

If you think it's wrong, can you tell me which stage exactly do you think is incorrect?

 

[Larniavc]

Assuming the flood happened,

You can’t assume it happened. Do you have supportive empirical evidence for the Noachian flood?

 

[Larniavc]

Through your understanding, do you think it possible that these were breeds of humans before the flood that descended from Adam and Eve, but we don't see them anymore because we only got the descendants of a small group of humans (Noah and his family) who were our ancestors?

Were there marsupials on the Noachian ark?

 

[solid_core]

If mankind evolved, sin is meaningless. There is no need for a saviour because animals do not sin.

Our body is animal, but not our soul. God gave us a special gift of rationality and consciousness.

We still must fight with much of our bodily/animalistic desires every day. There is an obvious war between our spirit and between our flesh.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

...Assuming the flood happened, is it possible that these were all variations of humans just like we see with the great variety of dogs, but we now don't see them anymore because they were wiped out (buried) and the variety we see now is from only a small group that survived. Is it possible?

No. If a global biblical flood was possible and had actually happened, all surface and oceanic life would be wiped out as the surface was sterilized by the extreme temperatures generated (assuming they hadn't already been drowned or suffocated by the density of atmospheric water necessary prior to the flood). However, a number of fundamental physical considerations (e.g. the volume of water required) make a global flood impossible.

It would need a wide variety of miracles to make it possible and then to make the outcome appear exactly as if no global flood actually happened - in which case, one can make up any impossible story one likes and make the same miraculous claim.

There probably was a flood - floods do happen, and very similar flood myths appear in earlier stories - but it was local.

 

[klutedavid]

I object to that!

 

[Kylie]

Our body is animal, but not our soul. God gave us a special gift of rationality and consciousness.

We still must fight with much of our bodily/animalistic desires every day. There is an obvious war between our spirit and between our flesh.

This is assuming that the soul is real. Can you demonstrate it exists?

 

[driewerf]

Did we transform into what we are today? Or were we created as such without having to transform.

What do you understand under "transform"?