Is evolution a religion?

[Melethiel]

last time i went to the doctor i was prescribbed amoxicillin for an infection, i never got it filled but guess what, your God of time must have healed me. i was fine after two days

Careful. Are you really accusing people here of worshipping time instead of God? I certainly hope you are not.

 

[simplyg123]

Careful. Are you really accusing people here of worshipping time instead of God? I certainly hope you are not.

No i accuse evolutionist of Giving Gods Glory to an amount of time.

The bible says God created the world, not evolution. To believe otherwise is to denounce the bible as truth.

God said it would be and it was, we are talking about a miraculous God, he needed not any amount of time to create anything.

 

[Dannager]

The bible says God created the world, not evolution.

...evolutionary theory doesn't purport to have created the world. Where on earth did you get the idea in your head that it did?

To believe otherwise is to denounce the bible as truth.

No, it's to denounce the Bible as being factually incorrect in some places. Which it is.

God said it would be and it was, we are talking about a miraculous God, he needed not any amount of time to create anything.

Then why did God take six days?

 

[random_guy]

The bible says God created the world, not evolution. To believe otherwise is to denounce the bible as truth.

Bolded part shows why I said you didn't understand science. Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of the Earth. When people make mistakes like this, it's a sign that the person does not understand evolution (or perhaps science). Second, please show me where in the Bible that gives the recipes of how God created everything. Why would accepting evolution as a way for God to create the diversity of life be considered wrong. Is God not powerful enough to use evolution? Where in the Bible does it say God poofed the Earth into existence instead of collecting it out of star dust?

 

[KerrMetric]

Please explain how a flower is not perfect

Go back ad read your original post on this.

accuracy is comming close to a true value, and if you are using values that are inaccurate due to the snowball effect through the years then. your result will be INACCURATE

No it wont. Think about percentages. Are you sure you work as an engneering tech. This is like trying to braid sawdust explaining this to you.

Google "error propagation".

A statistic is derived from a sample. a fraction of a whole

my original thought on a statistic is as in a ratio, like 9 out of 10 smokers.... this is a statistic, and i agree it is not an average, however an average can be calculated through a statistic, which is what i meant

Just go read a book on statistics. I have a feeling there is no way you can understand posts on a message board with anything remotely technical. And we never really got technical here.

 

[Assyrian]

dont you see

These errors are a snowball rolling down mt everest. and its been going on for centuries.

You use imperfect results to figure somehting, then you take those even farther from perfect to figure another thing, then you use that to figure something else.

Actually this is quite a good question from the philosophy science pov. Do errors build up as one level of science is added to the last? Or are they reduced but further testing and refinment? This is a problem with tradition in the church. Errors in theology accumulate and build on each other and they cannot be challenged in many denominations because tradition is sacrosanct.

Is this a problem for science too? I think you answer that in the following post:

not nessessarly last forever, but would be without flaws.

For example.

Why is it cell phones and other electronics keep getting smaller?

we learn new things of how these things work, and we improve them.

If errors were snowballing then new phones would have to keep getting bigger to get around the increasing inaccuracy.

however never perfect, if it was perfect it would need not to be improved

But perfection is a strange concept in technology. I got a new mobile phone, not because there was anything wrong with the way it made phone calls, but because I wanted a phone that would also take pictures and play mp3s.

The concept of a 'perfect cell phone' suggests that there is some sort of Aristotlean 'ideal cell phone' to which our phones aspire but are just the flickering shadow on the cave wall of the perfect cell phone.

 

[KerrMetric]

This entire line of questioning by simplyg123 can be summed up by fact they patently do not understand error analysis, propagation of errors and the mathematics of statistics and statistical inference.

 

[simplyg123]

If errors were snowballing then new phones would have to keep getting bigger to get around the increasing inaccuracy.

Not if you uses completly new varables to create the new phone which is what is done. my point was the original varables were not accurate enoght to make the phone smaller.

what amkes us think the varables used to figure evolution are accurate enough

This entire line of questioning by simplyg123 can be summed up by fact they patently do not understand error analysis, propagation of errors and the mathematics of statistics and statistical inference.

Its not about understanding, its about trusting the error margin of man, to decide where man comes from.

 

[Melethiel]

Not if you uses completly new varables to create the new phone which is what is done. my point was the original varables were not accurate enoght to make the phone smaller.

what amkes us think the varables used to figure evolution are accurate enough

Eh, only it's not the math as much as the ability to make smaller components.

 

[simplyg123]

Eh, only it's not the math as much as the ability to make smaller components.

The ability to make smaller componets comes from the modified mathmatical formulas used to transfer electrical data from one componer to the next.

 

[KerrMetric]

Its not about understanding, its about trusting the error margin of man, to decide where man comes from.

This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. None!
The error margin is as valid as the data point it is providing bounds to.

You seem to be under some fantasy that if there is an error attached then it is worthless. Nothing could be further from the truth - in fact it is the correct use of error analysis that allows us to have confidence in our results.

 

[Melethiel]

The ability to make smaller componets comes from the modified mathmatical formulas used to transfer electrical data from one componer to the next.

I don't quite understand what you're saying here. The electrical formulas are still the same. What has changed is the ability to construct smaller components, which has more to do with the equipment and experiments done by researching scientists. Eh, my dad has a bunch of articles lying around on nanoscale surface physics...I need to dig some of them up. Most of the work I have seen done in this field is practical, not mathematical.

 

[Brennan]

Smaller components arise as a result of new lithographic techniques. Nothing to do with errors in measurement. Apart from the as-yet incomplete quantum mechanical model, our understanding of electromagnetism has remained essentially unchanged since Maxwell published his equations.

 

[simplyg123]

Smaller components arise as a result of new lithographic techniques. Nothing to do with errors in measurement. Apart from the as-yet incomplete quantum mechanical model, our understanding of electromagnetism has remained essentially unchanged since Maxwell published his equations.

actually i guess you are all right once again, i should do research before opening my mouth.

However from what i am reading now, there is a process called nanoimprinting , which makes electron beam lithography obsolete

anyways, KerrMetric, as far as the error margins, let me ask you something, if we can determine the margin of error, why cant we determine the exact value?

 

[wmc1982]

I would call it a Religion. It's a worship of science and human beings.

 

[KerrMetric]

I would call it a Religion. It's a worship of science and human beings.

No it is a theory of biology. It can't be a religion since tens of thousands haven't been put to death for not following it.

 

[simplyg123]

No it is a theory of biology. It can't be a religion since tens of thousands haven't been out to death for not following it.

so in order for something to be a religion thousands have to be out to death? Where do you get this "HogWash" Apparently you are not quallifed to answer a question on religion, for you lack the knowledge of the term

 

[wmc1982]

No it is a theory of biology. It can't be a religion since tens of thousands haven't been out to death for not following it.

Religion

Noun

1. A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny.

(bold=evolution)

http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/religion

 

[Melethiel]

actually i guess you are all right once again, i should do research before opening my mouth.

However from what i am reading now, there is a process called nanoimprinting , which makes electron beam lithography obsolete

anyways, KerrMetric, as far as the error margins, let me ask you something, if we can determine the margin of error, why cant we determine the exact value?

Both techniques are still in use. The nanofacility at the university I attend has equipment for both e-beam lithography and imprinting, and both techniques are experimented with.

 

[KerrMetric]

so in order for something to be a religion thousands have to be out to death? Where do you get this "HogWash" Apparently you are not quallifed to answer a question on religion, for you lack the knowledge of the term

I said put to death. I was being somewhat facetious but then again there is a germ of truth to it. And you are the last person to refer to someone else as ignorant.