Is Evolution a Religion?

[chaoschristian]

This is the first time that a thread that I started got killed by Godwin's Law.

C'est Le Vie.

 

[Gwenyfur]

From the Theistic Evolution sub-forum:

Ok, let's do it. Make your case that the theory of evolution is a religion. Or, contrary-wise, make your case that the theory of evolution is not a religion. Open to all. Have fun.

Evolution is a religion.

It is defended with all the zealousy of a fanatic

It's icons have all been disproved and yet they still hold onto them, toting them before the eyes of our children in classrooms under the banner of science.

It denounces creation as ignorant and stupid

It takes more faith to believe they evolved from a rock than it does to believe G-d created the earth in 6 days...

 

[artybloke]

It takes more faith to believe they evolved from a rock than it does to believe G-d created the earth in 6 days...

Nonsense. The whole of the theory of evolution is based on evidence. Creationism is based on lies told by people who want to control your minds.

There is so much evidence in favour of the theory that it's almost impossible not to believe it. You've been led astray, dear.

 

[Numenor]

This is the first time that a thread that I started got killed by Godwin's Law.

C'est Le Vie.

It happens to us all

 

[shernren]

Gee, I wish I had the faith to believe that I evolved from a rock.

Honestly, sometimes I feel that this sort of "evolution takes more faith than creationism" stuff doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's easy to believe in evolution. You know what's difficult? Looking around at a world so obviously flawed and believing that not only did a good God create it, He is going to redeem it. Now that is a leap of faith.

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

Evolution is a religion.

It is defended with all the zealousy of a fanatic

Biological evolution is a very well supported scientific field, there are indeed certain individuals who get religious about it, just as there are those who are religious about the Chicago Cubs ...

It's icons have all been disproved and yet they still hold onto them, toting them before the eyes of our children in classrooms under the banner of science.

Creation Science supporters are known for writting popular books (e.g. Icons of Evolution) purporting to debunk evolution that are then generally demonstrated to contain serious errors and misconceptions.
www.ncseweb.org/icons/
www.nmsr.org/iconanti.htm

It denounces creation as ignorant and stupid

Supporters of evolution and science in general denounce the proposition that the physical evidence supports a 6 day creation and/or the special creation of individual kinds as being based in zealously willful ignorance.

It takes more faith to believe they evolved from a rock than it does to believe G-d created the earth in 6 days...

From a singularity actually...

 

[The Lady Kate]

Evolution is a religion.

It is defended with all the zealousy of a fanatic

It's icons have all been disproved and yet they still hold onto them, toting them before the eyes of our children in classrooms under the banner of science.

It denounces creation as ignorant and stupid

It takes more faith to believe they evolved from a rock than it does to believe G-d created the earth in 6 days...

Now might be as good a time as any to support something... anything... you've said here with facts. It would add some life and discussion to the thread.

 

[chaoschristian]

Evolution is a religion.

This is a good start. You've made your initial assertion clear and concise. Now, let's see what you provide to support it.

It is defended with all the zealousy of a fanatic

By whom and against whom?
While it is true that some people who accept evolutionary theory are zealous in their assertion and defense of it, it is not true that all people who accept evolutionary theory are so zealous. In fact, I think it is safe to say that the vast majority of scientists who are associated with the real day-to-day work of evolutionary theory would abandon it if presented with overwhelming evidence that invalidated the theory.

And let us remember that Christianity has had more than its fair share of zealous fanatics who have and do cross the bounds of doctrine and commit all sorts of heinous acts in the name of God. Nevertheless these people and their actions are not good enough reason in and of themselves to justify a wholesale rejection of the Gospel.

It's icons have all been disproved and yet they still hold onto them, toting them before the eyes of our children in classrooms under the banner of science.

What icons? How have they been disproved? What is your source for this?

It denounces creation as ignorant and stupid

Evolutionary theory in particular does no such thing and neither does science in general.

It takes more faith to believe they evolved from a rock than it does to believe G-d created the earth in 6 days...

I believe, through witness of your statement, that you are confusing the theory of abiogenesis with the evolutionary theory. Please know that evolutionary theory is not concerned with how life started, but only about how it changes over the course of time. I do not believe that any part of evolutionary theory states that rocks can evolve.

Thus far I do not think you have been successful in supporting your assertion.

 

[Gwenyfur]

One of the dictionary definitions (from my dictionary) says, "religion: a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance." I had not thought of it this way before, but evolution, the way some promote it, fits right in that. However, I have not yet found the Church of Evolution on some street corner in my city yet.

ah...but you find the church of humanism in more and more people today. They defend it by their "freedom from religion" law suits, and "separation of church and state" arguments daily.

Humanism is based on Evolution and Athiestic beliefs. In which..we need no higher power, because man is god!

How was it that satan fell again...oh yes! He said he would be "like the most high"

hrrmmm....dangerous ground if you ask me Of course...I know ... you didn't

 

[Gwenyfur]

Nonsense. The whole of the theory of evolution is based on evidence. Creationism is based on lies told by people who want to control your minds.

There is so much evidence in favour of the theory that it's almost impossible not to believe it. You've been led astray, dear.

What evidence? Evidence based on circular logic?
Evidence knowingly falsified and prosecuted?
hrmm...what real scientific evidence do you have? Tested and proven? None.

I would rather believe that I was made in the image of G-d, by His hands knit in the womb...that to believe that I "evolved" from some primordial goo that developed after it rained on rocks for "billions of years"

Yup, I'm a child of G-d, the handiwork of His hands...as is the rest of creation

 

[Gwenyfur]

Gee, I wish I had the faith to believe that I evolved from a rock.

Honestly, sometimes I feel that this sort of "evolution takes more faith than creationism" stuff doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's easy to believe in evolution. You know what's difficult? Looking around at a world so obviously flawed and believing that not only did a good God create it, He is going to redeem it. Now that is a leap of faith.

When G-d sat back on the 7th day and everything was "good" it wasn't the earth we live on today...it was destroyed by sin...the earth was cursed for man's sake, the ground hardened...

what ... you think sin had no effect on the planet itself? Have you read past Genesis 2? How badly do you think a flood would change the face of the earth??

 

[artybloke]

Have you read past Genesis 2? How badly do you think a flood would change the face of the earth??

Another myth for which there is absolutely no physical evidence.

 

[artybloke]

I would rather believe that I was made in the image of G-d, by His hands knit in the womb...that to believe that I "evolved" from some primordial goo that developed after it rained on rocks for "billions of years"

Apart from the nonsensical travesty of evolution that you seem to have had implanted in your brain by a bunch of demagogues, what's wrong with believing that we were made in the image of God through evolution?

Or would you rather believe a bunch of pretty lies than the solid and enormous amount of evidence that exists, none of which has any so-called circular evidence in it?

 

[Gwenyfur]

Apart from the nonsensical travesty of evolution that you seem to have had implanted in your brain by a bunch of demagogues, what's wrong with believing that we were made in the image of God through evolution?

Or would you rather believe a bunch of pretty lies than the solid and enormous amount of evidence that exists, none of which has any so-called circular evidence in it?

well...if G-d used evolution He'd have to be one sadistic G-d.

Which came first...food or us? Our digestive acids or our stomache lining to keep the acids from eating us from the inside out?

Oh...how did we evolve with our blood vessels on the outside of our retina instead of the inside, like an octopus?

Why then don't we have tails, when we all know how useful a monkey tail would be to open a door when our hands are full? Or not have 4 arms instead of 2? Ask any mom how handy that would be....

Evolution does state that we evolved to our current state based on the neccessities of our species....I think we got the short end of the stick if that's true...


PS nice insults.

 

[artybloke]

well...if G-d used evolution He'd have to be one sadistic G-d.

Which came first...food or us? Our digestive acids or our stomache lining to keep the acids from eating us from the inside out?

Oh...how did we evolve with our blood vessels on the outside of our retina instead of the inside, like an octopus?

Why then don't we have tails, when we all know how useful a monkey tail would be to open a door when our hands are full? Or not have 4 arms instead of 2? Ask any mom how handy that would be....

Evolution does state that we evolved to our current state based on the neccessities of our species....I think we got the short end of the stick if that's true...


PS nice insults.

It would be nice if you actually found out about evolution from a reputable source, not the fiction you seem to read. Try www.talkorigins.org. You never know, you might actually learn something (though I know the fundamentalists would prefer you to stay in ignorance - makes you easier to control.)

 

[Gwenyfur]

It would be nice if you actually found out about evolution from a reputable source, not the fiction you seem to read. Try www.talkorigins.org. You never know, you might actually learn something (though I know the fundamentalists would prefer you to stay in ignorance - makes you easier to control.)

I don't know why you insist on speaking down to me. I'm not some brainwashed robot who's been programmed by fundamentalists. I have studied. I have read Darwin's orgin of species and until the last year I also subscribed to several scientific maganzines. In the end, it just didn't add up. All the hype and furor over new fossils, or new proof, or new scientific breakthroughs and each one in the last 10 years turned out to be a fraud, or tested using faulty processes or data. It didn't seem to make sense to believe something that really was held together by scotch tape and faith.

So instead of wasting my faith on something dreamed up by man, I returned to the Bible. G-d's word for us. Did some more studying both scientific sources and religious. Went back to the Bible again.

It's there in the word of G-d that I found reason for faith of my origins...G-d is G-d, and perhaps, just perhaps he left all this misinformation go on, to sort through the wheat and the tares

Edited: If you knew anything about me, you would know I'm the last person to be controlled...by anyone...

 

[lismore]

I. All the hype and furor over new fossils, or new proof, or new scientific breakthroughs and each one in the last 10 years turned out to be a fraud, or tested using faulty processes or data. ..

True. Every few months on the media is trumpeted the missing link finally found. none of them ever are. Just more wishful thinking and pious hopes by the evolutionists.

 

[Numenor]

True. Every few months on the media is trumpeted the missing link finally found. none of them ever are. Just more wishful thinking and pious hopes by the evolutionists.

So many words, so little actual content.

 

[lismore]

So many words, so little actual content.

I agree. Its sad how a five page newspaper report can ramble on about a missing link found and all the suppositions and guesses from something that is proven soon after to be false.

Such is what passes for science in evolutionary circles.

 

[Numenor]

I agree. Its sad how a five page newspaper report can ramble on about a missing link found and all the suppositions and guesses from something that is proven soon after to be false.

Such is what passes for science in evolutionary circles.

Pure delusion coupled with willful ignorance does a Creationist make.