Is Evolution a Religion?

[lismore]

Remains? "Remains" implies that evolution is finished, when it is, in fact, an ongoing process. Evolution is happening right now... and it's not hard to spot.

I mean when will it become widely available? I would like to spot this too.

I thought evolution was a bit like The lion the witch and the wardrobe, but that the thing behind the allegory had not yet been identified?

 

[chaoschristian]

Some TE's say the bible and even Jesus are allegorical. I tend to think its evolution thats the allegorical one. Its a picture of the journey some people go on when they reject the idea of the God of the bible. They will invent the strangest and unsupported ideas to get round it.

Where is your proof that any TE on this board has claimed Christ Jesus is allegorical?

You seem unecessarily non-plussed by the concept that others might experience God differently from you. Tell me, is individual relevation of God allowed within your view of Christian Theology, or is there only one right way to do, read, talk, sing, pray, etc, etc, etc?

 

[Willtor]

I mean when will it become widely available? I would like to spot this too.

I thought evolution was a bit like The lion the witch and the wardrobe, but that the thing behind the allegory had not yet been identified?

Evolution is allegorical in the same way that cellular mitosis is allegorical (ie - it's not allegorical at all). It is merely something that is observed to be so.

 

[lismore]

Where is your proof that any TE on this board has claimed Christ Jesus is allegorical?

You seem unecessarily non-plussed by the concept that others might experience God differently from you. Tell me, is individual relevation of God allowed within your view of Christian Theology, or is there only one right way to do, read, talk, sing, pray, etc, etc, etc?

As I said before you can believe what you wish.

Its people that say evolution is a 'fact' that Im arguing with. it may be for them, but for me evolution is a load of manure!

 

[lismore]

Evolution is allegorical in the same way that cellular mitosis is allegorical (ie - it's not allegorical at all). It is merely something that is observed to be so.

But its allegorical if you say cellular mitosis today can make you claim about gorillas a million years ago!

You're saying you have observed gorilla cells turning human in mitosis

 

[Numenor]

You're saying you have observed gorilla cells turning human in mitosis

Are you really 27 years old?

 

[vossler]

Are you really 27 years old?

That's an interesting question. Are you really 96?

 

[vossler]

...dreaded double post

 

[chaoschristian]

As I said before you can believe what you wish.

Its people that say evolution is a 'fact' that Im arguing with. it may be for them, but for me evolution is a load of manure!

And yet you didn't respond to my question.

You made an assertion, not back it up with proof.

At this point I don't care what you think about evolutionary theory.

 

[lismore]

Are you really 27 years old?

Why do you use insults to answer a question?

Have you seen animal cells turning into human cells yes or no?

 

[Willtor]

But its allegorical if you say cellular mitosis today can make you claim about gorillas a million years ago!

You're saying you have observed gorilla cells turning human in mitosis

I don't understand this.

 

[lismore]

Where is your proof that any TE on this board has claimed Christ Jesus is allegorical?

Some TE's say the bible and even Jesus are allegorical.

If I had said that anyone on this board said Jesus was allegorical then I would have answered your question

 

[lismore]

I don't understand this.

Have you seen animal cells turning into human cells?

Im not asking anything about evolution, just this question above.

 

[chaoschristian]

Have you seen animal cells turning into human cells?

Im not asking anything about evolution, just this question above.

Humans are categorized as being in the Kingdom of Animal, as opposed to the Kingdom of Plants.

So what is it that you're asking for, to see an isolated cell from a human 'evolve' into a cell of another kind of animal right before your eyes?

Do you understand that evolutionary processes do not operate like this, and that if what you are asking for ever did happen you would have the evidence that falsifies evolutionary theory as it stands?

 

[lismore]

Humans are categorized as being in the Kingdom of Animal, as opposed to the Kingdom of Plants.

So what is it that you're asking for, to see an isolated cell from a human 'evolve' into a cell of another kind of animal right before your eyes?

Do you understand that evolutionary processes do not operate like this, and that if what you are asking for ever did happen you would have the evidence that falsifies evolutionary theory as it stands?

Is that a no?

 

[chaoschristian]

Is that a no?

My response is neither 'yes' nor 'no' as your initial question makes no sense without further qualification.

What you want is for someone to say, "No, human cells have not been observed turning into animal cells." so that you can say, "Ha! Ergo evolution is false!" without comprehending that the fact that human cells have never been observed turning into another type of animal cell is in fact evidence supporting evolutionary theory. And if human cells were ever to be observed to turn into another type of animal cell, then you would in fact have evidence on hand to help falsify evolutionary theory as it stands.

What you seem to be trying to do is set up some sort of tautological rhetorical trap which is in fact utter nonsense.

 

[VioletAngel]

One of the dictionary definitions (from my dictionary) says, "religion: a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance." I had not thought of it this way before, but evolution, the way some promote it, fits right in that. However, I have not yet found the Church of Evolution on some street corner in my city yet.

 

[Willtor]

One of the dictionary definitions (from my dictionary) says, "religion: a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance." I had not thought of it this way before, but evolution, the way some promote it, fits right in that. However, I have not yet found the Church of Evolution on some street corner in my city yet.

Well, of course, there is always the question of semantics in religion. But in a Christians-Only part of the forum, we typically ascribe some measure of theological implications to a religion. Evolution, like Sociology, does not do this, even if some people do. That's not to suggest that Sociology doesn't fit the same definition in the minds of some people (I had a professor in my undergrad for whom this was true).

The other aspect of this definition (the problem with using definitions, alone, as understandings) is that this is typically a literary use of "religion." An author might write that a man made the pursuit of his wife's killer his religion, and his gun was his crucifix.

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

Its people that say evolution is a 'fact' that Im arguing with. it may be for them, but for me evolution is a load of manure!

If you examine the fossil record you find the fact that some species come into existance and other species disappear and that generally those that come into existance are similar in appearance to previously existing species.

If you examine the DNA of chimps and humans, in particular the first Chromosome of Homo compared to the first two of Pan, and if you know something about telomeres ...

If you examine the gene responsible for producing Vitamin C in other mammals and find that it is broken in all monkeys...

The fact is that the only way for there to be as much diversity as there exists today from the number of species that Noah could have carried is if God highly accelerated macro-evolution for the first few hundred years after the flood.

 

[lismore]

My response is neither 'yes' nor 'no' as your initial question makes no sense without further qualification.

What you want is for someone to say, "No, human cells have not been observed turning into animal cells." so that you can say, "Ha! Ergo evolution is false!" without comprehending that the fact that human cells have never been observed turning into another type of animal cell is in fact evidence supporting evolutionary theory..

No I asked if you have seen animal cells turning into human cells.

Thankyou