Is evolution a fact or theory?

[The Barbarian]

And yet, Darwin also theorized that life may have begun in a “warm little pond, with all sorts of ammonia and phosphoric salts, lights, heat, electricity, etc. present, so that a protein compound was chemically formed ready to undergo still more complex changes”.

He never theorized such a thing. That would require him to test his ideas, and to confirm them. You've confused "speculation" with "theory." His idea wasn't a theory; it wasn't even a hypothesis, since a hypothesis must be testable.

However we do have God's word that life was brought forth by the earth and waters.

Having later been overwhelmingly refuted by science, we know that...gasp...Darwin was wrong.

Not according to God. And now, scientists are beginning to gather more evidence that indicates God and Darwin were right.

Darwin wrong? Perish the thought.

Darwin was wrong about a number of things. For example, he thought that acquired characteristics might be inherited. And he thought inheritance was like mixing paint, when genetics shows that it's like sorting beads.

That last error was a real problem for evolutionary theory, until Mendel's work was rediscovered, and Darwin was shown to be right about evolution. Would you like to learn how he was vindicated?

 

[The Barbarian]

The creationist says "but you cant prove to me where the bicyclist was born!"

The creationist is incorrect in suggesting that where the bicyclist was born is relevant to the discussion.

Just the same, the questions pertaining to primordial soups and the origins of life, are irrelevant to the question of if life evolves.

Exactly. Evolutionary theory is indifferent to the way life began. All that is required for evolution to happen is for living organisms to exist.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

fiction, in other words.

 

[Phil 1:21]

fiction, in other words.

And funny too. So now we’re at the point where people evolved from something else, but even if they didn’t, they still did. The idol keeps falling over.

 

[Job 33:6]

And funny too. So now we’re at the point where people evolved from something else, but even if they didn’t, they still did. The idol keeps falling over.

Its a hypothetical, to demonstrate that the theory of evolution and the origin of life are two different concepts. And the question of whether or not something evolves, is not the same as the question of how life came to be.

And you cannot rightfully deny evolution on the grounds of how life came to be, because you see, regardless of how life came to be, life still evolves.

 

[The Barbarian]

When one is out of arguments, the worst thing to do, is to start misrepresenting the other side. It might seem like a good idea, but everyone notices why one is doing it.

 

[Phil 1:21]

When one is out of arguments, the worst thing to do, is to start misrepresenting the other side. It might seem like a good idea, but everyone notices why one is doing it.

That's a mighty big plank ya got there.

 

[Job 33:6]

That's a mighty big plank ya got there.

Do you understand that, because evolution involves life that already exists, that the question of how life came to be, has no bearing on the question of whether or not life evolves?

 

[Phil 1:21]

Who would have guessed that a theory (er...hypothesis) that came from a book titled "On The Origin Of Species" wouldn't have anything to do with the origin of species. But as we've already learned, people evolved, unless they didn't, in which case they really did, and babies evolved from something else, but where babies came from is irrelevant because, well, they evolved from something else.

It's almost like watching the prophets of Baal dance around cutting themselves.

 

[Job 33:6]

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Who would have guessed that a theory (er...hypothesis) that came from a book titled "On The Origin Of Species" wouldn't have anything to do with the origin of species. But as we've already learned, people evolved, unless they didn't, in which case they really did, and babies evolved from something else, but where babies came from is irrelevant because, well, they evolved from something else.

It's almost like watching the prophets of Baal dance around cutting themselves.

Indeed, the origin of a species, is not the same as the origin of an order, or family, or genus...or life.

The theory of evolution has never made claims as to how life itself originated. As we discussed previously, the fundamental tenants of evolution are concepts regarding descent with modification of life that already exists.

Now, are you able to accept the fact that the origin of life and how it came to be, has no bearing on whether or not life evolves?

 

[Job 33:6]

 

[Phil 1:21]

“Shout louder!” he said. “Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.” 1 Kings 18:27

 

[sfs]

“Shout louder!” he said. “Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.” 1 Kings 18:27

Mockery is a poor substitute for an argument.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Mockery is a poor substitute for an argument.

Tell that to Elijah.

 

[sfs]

Tell that to Elijah.

Was he as inept at constructing an argument as you seem to be?

 

[Phil 1:21]

Was he as inept at constructing an argument as you seem to be?

Yet he was right.

 

[The Barbarian]

Who would have guessed that a theory (er...hypothesis) that came from a book titled "On The Origin Of Species" wouldn't have anything to do with the origin of species.

Your error was conflating the origin of species with the origin of life. As you now realize, you had no idea what the theory of evolution was about, and so imagined it was about people coming from an organic soup. Learn from this and move on.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Your error was conflating the origin of species with the origin of life. As you now realize, you had no idea what the theory of evolution was about, and so imagined it was about people coming from an organic soup. Learn from this and move on.

Because species aren't life. Awesome. I'll add that to "humans evolved, but even if they didn't evolve they still evolved" and "babies evolved from something, and where they came from is irrelevant because they evolved from something."

 

[sfs]

Because species aren't life.

Species are forms of life. The origin of species is not the origin of life, however. But I think you know that.

In case anyone actually cares about the answer. . . The origin of life isn't part of evolution because it's a different field studied by different people using completely different approaches. Also, we have very little evidence about how life started, while we have abundant evidence that different species are related to each other.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Also, we have very little evidence about how life started, while we have abundant evidence that different species are related to each other.

And as we follow your Darwinian theology backwards when we hit the "I have no idea" point on the timeline we simply ignore the the emperor's lack of attire we prop up poor little Dagon, hoping no one saw him lying on his face. <chuckle-snort>