Is evolution a fact or theory?

[sfs]

Of course.. As long as you call the Bible a liar?

No need. Christians have been happily venerating the whole Bible as God's word while also rejecting literal interpretations of it for as long as there have been Christians.

The exegetical grasp had been known a long before the TOE controversy erupted. Its relevancy was simply not something to be concerned about for there was nothing to challenge it. When it resurfaced during the TOE controversy some souls who did not know any better, called it a new 'invention' to counter TOE. That is not the case. It had been understood by many excellent scholars many centuries prior to Darwin's birth. Darwin was simply an antagonist who caused this exegetical understanding to resurface again.

I don't see what a gap has to do with anything. Humans are related to chimpanzees, for example. How does a gap in Genesis speak to that fact?

 

[GenemZ]

Humans are related to cucumbers.

To prove it you will soon find yourself in a pickle.

 

[GenemZ]

No need. Christians have been happily venerating the whole Bible as God's word while also rejecting literal interpretations of it for as long as there have been Christians.

I don't see what a gap has to do with anything. Humans are related to chimpanzees, for example. How does a gap in Genesis speak to that fact?

Apathy is akin to hatred. Did you know that?

 

[JackRT]

To prove it you will soon find yourself in a pickle.

And here I was thinking that you didn't have a sense of humour.

 

[2tim_215]

Apathy is akin to hatred. Did you know that?

 

[2tim_215]

No need. Christians have been happily venerating the whole Bible as God's word while also rejecting literal interpretations of it for as long as there have been Christians.

I don't see what a gap has to do with anything. Humans are related to chimpanzees, for example. How does a gap in Genesis speak to that fact?

Chimps and humans do have a common ancestor; God, both were creations of His. The gap has nothing to do with it. However, it could explain dinosaur fossils and primitive man.

 

[GenemZ]

And here I was thinking that you didn't have a sense of humour.

I have been posting here. Wasn't that enough to know?

 

[JackRT]

I am posting here. Isn't that enough to know?

Good point.

 

[GenemZ]

Every proctologist should have that portrait hanging on his office wall.

 

[JackRT]

Every proctologist should have that portrait hanging on his office wall.

You've had a transrectal ultrasound as well?

 

[GenemZ]

You've had a transrectal ultrasound as well?

No.... Abducted by space aliens.

 

[stevevw]

This sounds like Mayr's "somatic program", which was highly influential in my own thinking. But do you have any recent sources that investigate this idea?

It was a while ago that I learnt about this but I found one article on Stuart Newman who has been compared to Steven Gould. He has a theory "Patten Langauge" which he says formed the basis for pattern language modules that created all the different phyla and all body plans have stemmed from this. There is another article along similar lines I will have to search for and post later when I find it.
The Origin of Form Was Abrupt Not Gradual - Archaeology Magazine Archive

This idea is part of an emerging line of research which is extending the modern synthesis or to a growing number of scientists changing the MS because a lot of the findings are contradicting gradual evolution through natural selection. Influences such as plasticity, niche construction, Inclusive inheritance influences, epigenetics, and evolutionary developmental biology are finding how life can change through non-adaptive evolution rather than adaptive evolution (Natural selection acting on variations through random mutations).

Constructive development
Constructive development refers to the ability of an organism to shape its own developmental trajectory by constantly responding to, and altering, internal and external states [34,71,102–105]. Constructive development goes beyond the quantitative-genetic concept of gene-environment interaction by attending to the mechanisms of development and emphasizing how gene (expression) and environment are interdependent.
The extended evolutionary synthesis: its structure, assumptions and predictions

 

[The Barbarian]

This idea is part of an emerging line of research which is extending the modern synthesis or to a growing number of scientists changing the MS because a lot of the findings are contradicting gradual evolution through natural selection. Influences such as plasticity, niche construction, Inclusive inheritance influences, epigenetics, and evolutionary developmental biology are finding how life can change through non-adaptive evolution rather than adaptive evolution (Natural selection acting on variations through random mutations).

I'm assuming you're read D'Arcy Thompson's On Growth and Form. Have you read Steven Vogel's Life's Devices? Or Adrian Bejan's Design in Nature?

The answer to this seems to be that the second effect on speciation and adaptation isn't magic, but physics.

And of course, Motoo Kimura realized that natural selection wasn't the whole story, a long time ago. I don't know of any biologist who did think so, even when I was an undergraduate in the 1960s.

And then, there's this; I once asked someone if there was any reason to believe that (for example) epigenetics couldn't evolve by natural selection. I never got an answer. I think I know why.

 

[The Barbarian]

Humans are related to cucumbers.

In fact, we have more genes and organization in common with cucumbers than there are genes and organization by which we differ.

 

[The Barbarian]

It was a while ago that I learnt about this but I found one article on Stuart Newman who has been compared to Steven Gould. He has a theory "Patten Langauge" which he says formed the basis for pattern language modules that created all the different phyla and all body plans have stemmed from this.

In fact, all bilaterans have the same homeobox genes; some lines have just duplicated some of them. Tetrapods duplicated the whole set at least twice. As in any gene duplication, one copy is then free to mutate and perhaps assume a different role.

So it's no shock that we share developmental genes and body plans with insects. The general vertebrate design is like the arthropod design, but inverted.

Physical forces have a lot to do with how those end up being expressed and which variations are preserved.

 

[Resha Caner]

This idea is part of an emerging line of research which is extending the modern synthesis or to a growing number of scientists changing the MS because a lot of the findings are contradicting gradual evolution through natural selection.

Thanks. I can't reply immediately because it'll take me some time to get through this, but thanks for the references.

 

[Resha Caner]

The answer to this seems to be ...

Does this mean you are familiar with the Extended Synthesis proposed by Stuart Newman, et. al.?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Is there are proof of either?

A theory, as there is proof of change within species, but not to change to different ones!

 

[GenemZ]

Over and over again.... It never ends. It never evolves into truth.

 

[sfs]

Apathy is akin to hatred. Did you know that?

Don't know and don't care.

 

[sfs]

Chimps and humans do have a common ancestor; God, both were creations of His.

Chimps and humans are physically descended from a common physical ancestor.