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Yeah I agree. But then some think that animals can have a degree of consciousness or that everything is conscious. Perhaps there is levels of consciousness and humans are at the pinnacle that we can have a relationship with God.I think it's probably something like soul or spirit. It's God's breath and God doesn't breathe in an atmosphere. So it's probably the thing that makes humans different from animals or something like that imo.
There is no such thing as Aliens unless you are talking about foreigners from another country or illegal aliens crossing the borders into the US everyday.I recently watched a special on TV called "Under Investigation" produced by 60 Minutes Australia. They had experts on the panel as well as eye witness military pilots testimony and data from surveillance devices across a range of equipment. This was evidence released by the US government recently admitting that there are what they now call "Unidentified Arial Objects". They admit they are solid objects that defy our current technology.
So that got me thinking if they are more advanced intelligent alien life where did they come from. Did they evolve or are they part of Gods creation. How would a creationist rationalize this into creation theory. How would a Christian rationalize this into redemption.
If aliens did evolve which I think would be fairly probable if evolution happened without any divine guidance then does this disprove creation theory. Or maybe these aliens are very smart but lack the image of God or that its part of Satan's ploy to fool the world before his coming.
Thats one of the reasons I started the thread. I wanted to guage peoples views about what the implications would be if we actually found alien life and what that would mean for belief and well as evolution. So its a thought experiement so it doesn't mean there are aliens one way or another but rather discuss the possibilities and implications.There is no such thing as Aliens unless you are talking about foreigners from another country or illegal aliens crossing the borders into the US everyday.
God created man in his image, if such things existed it would be said in the Bible.
Did they evolve or are they part of Gods creation. How would a creationist rationalize this into creation theory. How would a Christian rationalize this into redemption.
If aliens did evolve which I think would be fairly probable if evolution happened without any divine guidance then does this disprove creation theory. Or maybe these aliens are very smart but lack the image of God or that its part of Satan's ploy to fool the world before his coming.
God gave us all freewill, I choose not to believe in such things, just in God, Christ and his creation on Earth.Thats one of the reasons I started the thread. I wanted to guage peoples views about what the implications would be if we actually found alien life and what that would mean for belief and well as evolution. So its a thought experiement so it doesn't mean there are aliens one way or another but rather discuss the possibilities and implications.
I tend to agree that aliens would be mentioned in the Bible. But that is why I posed the idea that what is thought to be aliens is actually angels and that this would be a good way for Satan to reveal himself to the world.
Or another idea is that there is a form of alien life on other planets but its not conscious intelligent and moral life but some advanced animal without a soul in the case of evolution.
Once again I am not saying this is the case but posing the idea.
But I agree that its hard to reconcile Biblically.
I have a friend, lifelong christian, who says that the day they find intelligent life on other planets is the day he becomes an atheist.Thats one of the reasons I started the thread. I wanted to guage peoples views about what the implications would be if we actually found alien life and what that would mean for belief and well as evolution. So its a thought experiement so it doesn't mean there are aliens one way or another but rather discuss the possibilities and implications.
I tend to agree that aliens would be mentioned in the Bible. But that is why I posed the idea that what is thought to be aliens is actually angels and that this would be a good way for Satan to reveal himself to the world.
Or another idea is that there is a form of alien life on other planets but its not conscious intelligent and moral life but some advanced animal without a soul in the case of evolution.
Once again I am not saying this is the case but posing the idea.
But I agree that its hard to reconcile Biblically.
Their report is based on the myth of Project Blue Book. I was in military intelligence and had access to all manuals. The USAF never produced such a document or study. Project Blue Book was fabercated by UFO compiracy nuts.I recently watched a special on TV called "Under Investigation" produced by 60 Minutes Australia. They had experts on the panel as well as eye witness military pilots testimony and data from surveillance devices across a range of equipment. This was evidence released by the US government recently admitting that there are what they now call "Unidentified Arial Objects". They admit they are solid objects that defy our current technology.
So that got me thinking if they are more advanced intelligent alien life where did they come from. Did they evolve or are they part of Gods creation. How would a creationist rationalize this into creation theory. How would a Christian rationalize this into redemption.
If aliens did evolve which I think would be fairly probable if evolution happened without any divine guidance then does this disprove creation theory. Or maybe these aliens are very smart but lack the image of God or that its part of Satan's ploy to fool the world before his coming.
Some of the made up stories had those craft taking off at angles and speeds that would destroy brains of any living being on them.Isn't it a bit early for speculations? An "unidentified aerial object" doesn't give much information to base a theory on. We don't even know whether there is life in/on those objects.
If I was from another planet, I would take one look and run home real fast.But the technology to have such objects is only something intelligent beings would have. Its either human made or made by some other intelligent being. Natural occurrences have been ruled out because the objects have been scientifically verified as solid. They move with intention so something is going on and the tech is far beyond what we could have even the Chinese.
Military says these types of sightings have been going on for years, they have just become more frequent. So I don't think any nation could have such tech as to achieve this level you would also be advanced is most other ways and we see no evidence of this from any Nation. But then maybe some nation has hidden their tech for years. Its hard to say. I was only pestering about it, that's why I asked the questions.
Maybe creatures on other planets have not sinned. If they did, I see no reason to believe that Jesus would not have died for them on their planet.Yes that's a possibility if we think of what some claim with quantum physics. Another possibility is Nick Bostrom Simulation hypothesis - Wikipedia which Elon Musk thinks is a good possibility. This is based on future humans becoming so advanced that they create life like simulations which we are experiencing now. They could play all sorts of tricks on us.
What is the simulation hypothesis? Why some think life is a simulated reality
Why not. What if there are conscious beings like us out there. Do they also need redemption. If so I cannot imagine Christ being crucified twice or more on different planets. I don't think distant beings could hear the message of redemption from earth.
I think its important that Christ came and resurrected on earth. We have the history and relevance that connects us. That's why I think if there are aliens then maybe they are just very smart animals without a soul.
When Stealth aircraft were being tested, they were reported as being UFO's. Some even claimed they were demons in disguise.Hi @stevevw
So what? Humans aren't intelligent beings? Look, the other day there was a report on my news about a UFO. Turns out it was a weather balloon and that it's reflectiveness with the sun shining on it, much like the moon, it looked as some super brilliant round object in the sky. Now, you take something like that and it hits some upward level strong wind forces and it quickly seems to move one way and then almost immediately moves just as quickly in some other direction because it happens to have found a confluence of winds blowing in different directions. We see the same thing happen in sea currents at particular places in the oceans. Where the currents collide and things floating on them just go in all different directions.
So, I'm not saying that this does answer every example that has ever been witnessed. But I am saying, that there may be fairly normal explanations for some of these sightings that, because we don't know exactly what's going on in the atmosphere where the objects are, seem weird to us. What I know, is that as yet, we don't have any factual, verifiable evidence that somewhere out there is a planet of living human-like creatures.
But as I said, there are certainly some that make us go "Hmmm", but as yet, no proof that any of it isn't some phenomenon created by some object of earthly origin.
God bless,
Ted
I agree many sightings have a natural explanation. But what makes this different is that
1) the Military has always denied UFO's period and now they have finally admitted there is something they cannot explain which cannot be attributed to anything natural.
2) that they have hard evidence from radar and other measuring devices and that they are solid and around 2 or 3 meters. Solid items unless very light cannot float with the wind.
3) that pilots have had near misses with them (500 meters) and seen them up close. Numerous independent sightings describing the same thing which was also recorded on their instruments and on the instruments from the aircraft carriers at the same time.
They described these objects as being like a metallic cube inside a translucent sphere. Now I know there's some nutters out there and it may be mass hallucination or it may be some some advanced tech from some nation and any of this doesn't prove there are aliens.
IMO I am a skeptic of UFO's and also think there is no intelligent life in the universe but this has got me very interested and a bit rattled as I think its unprecedented.
Yes I also think there are other possibilities to explore. But unlike " LIght" these objects are solid. The radars lock on them like they are something solid moving. But in thinking about what you said it brings up the fact that if even if they travelled at the speed of light it would still take a very long time, too long for human like beings to survive that journey.
So perhaps if they are real they would have to have some sort of tech that allowed for faster than the speed of light travel or an ability to being able to defy the laws of the classical laws of physics such as to do with quantum physics.
They may not have contacted us because they don't want to at this stage. They may know that they can never be captured even if detected and its interesting that most sightings are over military air space. So they may be wanting to understand our tech.
On the other hand if they are advanced in tech you would think they already know what our tech capabilities are so you would think they either realize we are no threat and make contact.
So if it is some other phenomena then its very strange. Maybe some nation has developed quantum travel of some sort. But what strikes me as unusual is that the objects are solid and move beyond our capability and that pilots have seen them from close up and described them.
Still you are right that we cannot discount unknown natural causes that we just don't understand just like people thought strange occurrances were from beyond this world in the past.
Yes I also think there are other possibilities to explore. But unlike " LIght" these objects are solid. The radars lock on them like they are something solid moving. But in thinking about what you said it brings up the fact that if even if they travelled at the speed of light it would still take a very long time, too long for human like beings to survive that journey.
So perhaps if they are real they would have to have some sort of tech that allowed for faster than the speed of light travel or an ability to being able to defy the laws of the classical laws of physics such as to do with quantum physics.
They may not have contacted us because they don't want to at this stage. They may know that they can never be captured even if detected and its interesting that most sightings are over military air space. So they may be wanting to understand our tech.
On the other hand if they are advanced in tech you would think they already know what our tech capabilities are so you would think they either realize we are no threat and make contact.
So if it is some other phenomena then its very strange. Maybe some nation has developed quantum travel of some sort. But what strikes me as unusual is that the objects are solid and move beyond our capability and that pilots have seen them from close up and described them.
Still you are right that we cannot discount unknown natural causes that we just don't understand just like people thought strange occurrances were from beyond this world in the past.
It's possible intelligent life has been produced many times throughout the universe. Or it's also possible that the conditions to produce life are so exact that even with millions of possible planets it's only happened on one.
For me the key idea is that God breathed into Adam his breath, and that's what made Adam a human. Has God done that on other planets? Who knows?
Great thread topic. Peace be with you!
You might be thinking of the Ransom trilogy.C.S. Lewis wrote a book(s) on life on other planets, but I don't remember what the book(s) were.
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