Is everything "meaningless" without God?

[Hieronymus]

Who created Yahweh and for what purpose was he created?

First Cause.
Can the first cause itself be caused?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

First Cause.
Can the first cause itself be caused?

The first cause created Yahweh?

 

[Eudaimonist]

So would it be accurate to say that without God, all we can do it make our lives as enjoyable as possible before we die and fade off into non-existance?

Do you have something against joy?

I'm not quite sure what you mean by making "our lives as enjoyable as possible". That sounds oddly passive, as if life should be about sinking into a comfortable chair. I'd say instead that one should lead an active life that is worthy of being honored with one's joyful feelings.

That without God, we inharently have no reason or purpose resulting in a requirement for us to create whatever reason we need for our lives to have purpose to give us an excuse to get through the day?

No, that's not what I'm saying.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Freodin]

So would it be accurate to say that without God, all we can do it make our lives as enjoyable as possible before we die and fade off into non-existance? That without God, we inharently have no reason or purpose resulting in a requirement for us to create whatever reason we need for our lives to have purpose to give us an excuse to get through the day?

I have to admit that I find that highly amusing. It also confirms what I wrote in my last post about the inability of Christians to present a positive view of their worldview and instead having to resort to trying to bring the opposition down (dare I say to their level? )

Do you really attempt to get an unbeliever to accept that spending an eternity "loving God" is sooo much better than this bleak chore of a life that needs joy and reasons to get him through the day?

Come on! You could at least try.

 

[Hieronymus]

The first cause created Yahweh?

YHWH claims He is that first cause.
Causer rather.
He has the best credentials by far.

 

[bhsmte]

YHWH claims He is that first cause.
Causer rather.
He has the best credentials by far.

What credentials?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I have to admit that I find that highly amusing. It also confirms what I wrote in my last post about the inability of Christians to present a positive view of their worldview and instead having to resort to trying to bring the opposition down (dare I say to their level? )

Do you really attempt to get an unbeliever to accept that spending an eternity "loving God" is sooo much better than this bleak chore of a life that needs joy and reasons to get him through the day?

Come on! You could at least try.

Can you answer the question?

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[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I have to admit that I find that highly amusing. It also confirms what I wrote in my last post about the inability of Christians to present a positive view of their worldview and instead having to resort to trying to bring the opposition down (dare I say to their level? )

What about the inability for an atheist to accept the fact that the best they can hope for is to live their life the best they can before they die and fade off into non-existence? If I was an atheist, I wouldn't see any problem with that. Just to know that this little time I have in life is all I have so I better make it count.

Do you really attempt to get an unbeliever to accept that spending an eternity "loving God" is sooo much better than this bleak chore of a life that needs joy and reasons to get him through the day?

Come on! You could at least try.

I am not trying to get any unbelievers to accept anything other than the facts I just stated above. I am not a nihilistic, but I wonder why atheists are not.

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[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

What I'm getting from this is that you believe Yahweh created you to be his sycophant. That's the only meaning you can aspire to. Is that right?

Is that how you describe people who love you and people you love in return... sycophants? Your mother must be so proud of you.

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[Archaeopteryx]

Is that how you describe people who love you and people you love in return... sycophants? Your mother must be so proud of you.

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My mother doesn't demand that I worship her or threaten to torment me forever if I don't. Does yours?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

My mother doesn't demand that I worship her or threaten to torment me forever if I don't. Does yours?

My point was that God created you to have a relationship with Him...To love Him. You are saying that showing someone love is the actions of a "yes man" or a "butt kisser". Thus the reason your mother was brought up. Do you not show her love? Based off of your comments, wouldn't that make you your mother's "butt kisser"?

 

[bhsmte]

My point was that God created you to have a relationship with Him...To love Him. You are saying that showing someone love is the actions of a "yes man" or a "butt kisser". Thus the reason your mother was brought up. Do you not show her love? Based off of your comments, wouldn't that make you your mother's "butt kisser"?

Seems like this God you speak of, created 2/3 of the worlds population, that disagree with your faith beliefs.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

My point was that God created you to have a relationship with Him...To love Him.

And he also created the punishment for not loving him, correct? So if he knew that I would not love him, and yet still created me, doesn't that mean that he created me for damnation?

You are saying that showing someone love is the actions of a "yes man" or a "butt kisser". Thus the reason your mother was brought up. Do you not show her love? Based off of your comments, wouldn't that make you your mother's "butt kisser"?

Do you recognise the difference between love and being a sycophant?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Do you recognise the difference between love and being a sycophant?

Do you?

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[StanJ]

Seems like this God you speak of, created 2/3 of the worlds population, that disagree with your faith beliefs.

No, that's not right, today's population is the result of procreation.

 

[Dave Ellis]

YHWH claims He is that first cause.
Causer rather.
He has the best credentials by far.

How do you figure? Seeing as we can trace back through history and see what time period man invented Yahweh, and how he's evolved over the centuries, I don't think he's a particularly good case for being the first cause.

 

[Dave Ellis]

My point was that God created you to have a relationship with Him...To love Him. You are saying that showing someone love is the actions of a "yes man" or a "butt kisser". Thus the reason your mother was brought up. Do you not show her love? Based off of your comments, wouldn't that make you your mother's "butt kisser"?

If god created you specifically to love him, isn't that a violation of free will?

Under a system of free will, you are free to love people you want to free of the threat of punishment or coercion.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Do you?

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Yes. It's clear you don't though.

 

[Eudaimonist]

I am not a nihilistic, but I wonder why atheists are not.

If you were to finally grasp why many atheists aren't nihilists, how would that change your thoughts and feelings about those atheists? What would you do with this information?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Freodin]

What about the inability for an atheist to accept the fact that the best they can hope for is to live their life the best they can before they die and fade off into non-existence? If I was an atheist, I wouldn't see any problem with that. Just to know that this little time I have in life is all I have so I better make it count.

I cannot speak for every atheist on this planet, or even here on the forum.
All I can say: I never expressed nor implied anything but the acceptence that life ends and that "living their life the best they can" is a great idea.
I have also never seen any other atheist here show any inability to do that.

And still, I cannot but notice that when I ask for you to support your position, you instead redirect and rephrase your response as a (n invalid) criticism of our position.

You assert that atheist are inable to accept the fact that living and dying is "the best they can hope for". That means that atheist DO hope or want to hope for something better. I'd say you would be hard pressed to find an atheist here expressing such a desire.

And that also implies that there IS something better to be hoped for. And yet, you are unwilling or unable to show that.

I am not trying to get any unbelievers to accept anything other than the facts I just stated above. I am not a nihilistic, but I wonder why atheists are not.

Your "facts" are false. Your position is self-contradicting. That could explain your puzzlement.

Do better!