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Beneficial for who and for what reason?Because survival is beneficial, regardless of how long it lasts and because I do not have the choice of not wanting to survive.
So why do we have this "innate" importance of survival?We feel the importance of survival innately. It is not a divine being that teaches us to remove our hand from fire or crushing objects or to gasp for air.
Our purpose is to love God and love eachother.Jumping into the discussion blind after the third page:
I'd like to switch the question around: how does having the god of classical theism (God) automatically give life meaning? What purpose or final end does choosing to follow God offer? Why does that final end matter? What purpose does it serve? Why follow God? The infinite chain of purpose has to have a final end, so what is it?
How would I know? As I said, my life automatically has meaning, by the sole reason that it is my life. (Meaning: the life of a being capable of ascribing meaning to something.)Why? Are you suggesting that if your life had no meaning you would be fine with that?
What is the point of loving God and loving each other? Both in the sense of "what is the meaning" as well as "what do you have to show for it at the end"?Our purpose is to love God and love eachother.
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It matters to me more than non-existence. Existence has an edge over non-existence in that it exists.
Everything that I am is found in my existence. All of my values are found in my existence. All of my needs are found in my existence. All of my growth is found in my existence. All of my happiness is found in my existence.
What is the mystery here?
eudaimonia,
Mark
It was a legitimate question. What gives your life more meaning than that of a bacterium? Is not the purpose of a bacterium reproduce to continue the species? Is not your basic purpose in life to reproduce to continue the species?You are just being obtuse here.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Indeed. I'll be very interested to hear about the meaningfulness of greed, amassing things, selfish overwork and perfunctory religion etc. with God.In the book of Ecclesiastes, Solomon discusses ten vanities—ten things that are “meaningless” when considered from the limited point of view of “under the sun.” Without God, human wisdom is meaningless (2:14–16); labor (2:18–23); amassing things (2:26); life itself (3:18–22); competition (4:4); selfish overwork (4:7–8); power and authority (4:16); greed (5:10); wealth and accolades (6:1–2); and perfunctory religion (8:10–14).
I noticed that this entire thread has been focused on the meaninglessness of life however there are 9 other things that are listed as being meaningless without God.
But don't atheist "give their own lives meaning"? That assumes that your life was originally meaningless. So does an atheist life "automatically" have meaning or do atheist bestow meaning onto their own lives?How would I know? As I said, my life automatically has meaning, by the sole reason that it is my life. (Meaning: the life of a being capable of ascribing meaning to something.)
You might as well as if I would be fine if my life had no concept of "being fine with something".
That is what we are created to do. That is our created purpose and is why we exist in the first place. In the end, it means spending eternity in heaven loving God and eachother. If you choose not to, it would mean spending eternity wishing you had.What is the point of loving God and loving each other? Both in the sense of "what is the meaning" as well as "what do you have to show for it at the end"?
But if you will eventually cease to exist, wouldn't all your values, needs, growth, happiness, and everything else you are cease to exist also?
So why does it matter to you if you have it now.
I'd say that this "giving meaning" "creating meaning" "ascribing meaning" are just common used phrases based on a worldview of active agents. As I see it, there is no intentional act of "creation" involved. Atheists do "bestow" meaning onto their own lifes. They way they do it is by living. Which is automatic for living beingsBut don't atheist "give their own lives meaning"? That assumes that your life was originally meaningless. So does an atheist life "automatically" have meaning or do atheist bestow meaning onto their own lives?
Our purpose is to love God and love eachother.
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Beneficial for who and for what reason?
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So why do we have this "innate" importance of survival?
So there is no meaning, no point, nothing to show for it but this very thing itself.That is what we are created to do. That is our created purpose and is why we exist in the first place. In the end, it means spending eternity in heaven loving God and eachother. If you choose not to, it would mean spending eternity wishing you had.
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Our purpose is to love God and love eachother.
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What gives your life more meaning than that of a bacterium?
Is not the purpose of a bacterium reproduce to continue the species?
Is not your basic purpose in life to reproduce to continue the species?
Hmmm...That is what we are created to do. That is our created purpose and is why we exist in the first place. In the end, it means spending eternity in heaven loving God and eachother. If you choose not to, it would mean spending eternity wishing you had.
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