Is Everybody going to heaven?

[Floatingaxe]

You need to restudy the kingdom of darkness and the kingdom of light. You will find that the one setting on the throne is jesus and not oneself.

You have to step down from that throne and place Jesus on that throne of your life. He is never there without invitation.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I don't see tested by trail anywhere in that ver. . You kept adding what is not there.

I didn't add it. Scholars did.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I'm not a "universalist" the words not in the book. I preach reconciliation
2 Cor. 5;17-20 I know that the word God uses and it might be over you head but it's what Paul preached.

Amen. God has always shared this as the Reconciliation Awareness.
"Universalism" = label invented by man to completely shut down all rational thought by raising emotionally-triggered red "heresy alert!" flags.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I'm not a "universalist" the words not in the book. I preach reconciliation
2 Cor. 5;17-20 I know that the word God uses and it might be over you head but it's what Paul preached.

I preach reconciliaion. Not over my head in the least. You preach universal reconcilation. Not the same. I don't have any difficulty discerning the difference.

Reconciliation is God's plan for us. UR is man's plan, and goes nowhere fast.

 

[Tavita]

False. Dr, Hanson is a Johnny-come-lately and full of you-know-what, spiritually speaking!

What do you mean by Johnny-come-lately?

 

[Floatingaxe]

What do you mean by Johnny-come-lately?

A new (relatively speaking) wolf in the pen.

 

[Tavita]

A new (relatively speaking) wolf in the pen.

But what do you think relatively new is? Last twenty years, fifty?

 

[Floatingaxe]

But what do you think relatively new is? Last twenty years, fifty?

Anything that goes against the established authority of Scripture is a newfangled idea. So it could be 1900 years old and still be an idea that is odd or new and completely disposable, and worthy of the garbage dump.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by Floatingaxe
I don't. Universalists tip toe through the Word of God, ripping out the daisies and trampling on the roses.

I'm not a "universalist" the words not in the book. I preach reconciliation
2 Cor. 5;17-20 I know that the word God uses and it might be over you head but it's what Paul preached.

You do realize the Great Reconciler is Jesus the Christ Himself, don't you?

 

[Tavita]

Anything that goes against the established authority of Scripture is a newfangled idea. So it could be 1900 years old and still be an idea that is odd or new and completely disposable, and worthy of the garbage dump.

LOL! You try and cover yourself well, FA!

btw.. There was no established authority of scripture for hundreds of years. I wonder how the early church made it through...

Which denominations interpretation of scripture do you go by?

 

[Floatingaxe]

LOL! You try and cover yourself well, FA!

btw.. There was no established authority of scripture for hundreds of years. I wonder how the early church made it through...

Which denominations interpretation of scripture do you go by?

The early church used the established Scripture that all the apostles used, and that Jesus Himself taught.

As for me, I don't have a denomination, and so I follow the word as written without any particular group bias. The Holy Spirit is the revealer of the truth in Scripture.

1 Peter 1:19-21
Because of that experience, we have even greater confidence in the message proclaimed by the prophets. You must pay close attention to what they wrote, for their words are like a lamp shining in a dark place—until the Day dawns, and Christ the Morning Star shines in your hearts. Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding, or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God.

 

[Tavita]

The early church used the established Scripture that all the apostles used, and that Jesus Himself taught.

You realize they only had the Old Testament?

There is no mention of endless punishment whatsoever in it. Not even a Lake of Fire?

 

[brinny]

Floatingaxe, your previous post makes it obvious that you don't know the universalist postion. We believe that only the blood of Christ can ransom sinners and there must be a personal acceptance of Christ. Our disagreement is over when that acceptance of Him must take place.

In regard to your post #333, I have some good news, and some bad news. First, the bad news: You may have blasphemed the H.S. The good news is that you aren't going to burn forever in hell fire. The Greek text just says for the next age. Seriously, you go too far. Why not stay on topic and just present arguments about your doctrine of endless torture?

are you saying that every one will accept Jesus the Christ, the only begotten Son of the living God?

If so, when? And how does this line up with the verse that God will not always strive with man, or Jesus the Christ saying to some 'depart from me for i never knew you'? Does He change His mind. Does God take a vacation from His 'holi-ness'?

How does any of this fit into the real war that is happening as we speak...and the battles, and the admonition to put on the full armor of God, and the verse that He teaches my hands to war and my fingers to fight..is there perhaps one of those battles going on as we speak.

Let's see if i'm clear on this...Lucifer, AKA Satan, will be forgiven? He will resume his place he once had?

 

[Floatingaxe]

You realize they only had the Old Testament?

Yes, that's New Testament History 101. Thanks for the on-the-spot review.

There is no mention of endless punishment whatsoever in it. Not even a Lake of Fire?

God was more than clear of the outcome of rejecting Him. Plus, just because all the writings weren't bound for them in a book, doesn't mean that the Holy Spirit's hands were tied! Testimony was alive and well and moving people to salvation in Jesus Christ, no problem!

You better believe it that the early Church knew about eternal separation from God in final Judgment!

 

[icedtea]

That was a good point, I'd forgotten that verse. depart from me, I never knew you.
Maybe its interpreted wrong? Maybe never means something else?

 

[icedtea]

Chapter and ver. please?

Today is the day of salvation is in the bible, i guarantee you. Someone else will haev to find the chapter.
Revelation 14:9-11
Then another angel followed them, crying with a loud voice, Thos who worship the beast and its image and receive a mark on their foreheads or hands, they will also drink the wine of God's wrath, poured unmixed into the cup of his anger, and they will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the precense of the holy angels and in the precense of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever.

Not that anything will convince some. But the truth is there.
And much more.

 

[Tavita]

Yes, that's New Testament History 101. Thanks for the on-the-spot review.

No Problem.

God was more than clear of the outcome of rejecting Him. Plus, just because all the writings weren't bound for them in a book, doesn't mean that the Holy Spirit's hands were tied! Testimony was alive and well and moving people to salvation in Jesus Christ, no problem!

No, sorry. There is no such thing as punishment promised after death in the Old Testament. If there is then please supply scripture.

Please show from Genesis, the beginning, that God's judgment on mankind is endless punishment for sin.

You better believe it that the early Church knew about eternal separation from God in final Judgment!

No, you'd better believe that the early Church did not believe in endless torment. That's something that did not rear it's ugly head for at least two hundred years after Christ... one of the damnable false heresy's that Paul knew would come into the Church and warned against.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Today is the day of salvation is in the bible, i guarantee you. Someone else will haev to find the chapter.
Revelation 14:9-11
Then another angel followed them, crying with a loud voice, Thos who worship the beast and its image and receive a mark on their foreheads or hands, they will also drink the wine of God's wrath, poured unmixed into the cup of his anger, and they will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the precense of the holy angels and in the precense of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever.

Not that anything will convince some. But the truth is there.
And much more.

Amen, sister!

2 Corinthians 6:2
For God says, “At just the right time, I heard you.
On the day of salvation, I helped you.”
Indeed, the “right time” is now. Today is the day of salvation.

 

[Floatingaxe]

No, sorry. There is no such thing as punishment promised after death in the Old Testament. If there is then please supply scripture.

Please show from Genesis, the beginning, that God's judgment on mankind is endless punishment for sin.

Now that's just loony. I think you shall have to come up with your own proof, madam.

When Jesus walked the earth He spoke of how those who reject Him are cursed. Well if you look up "cursed" in the bible you will see numerous references where God pronounces things as cursed.

Someone cursed is most definitely not blessed or saved or allowed into the presence of God.

You really must draw proper conclusions from that. Satan is cursed, the disobedient and all evildoers are cursed, so as Jesus also seconds that established fact, I do believe that the OT has completely revealed all we need to know on the subject.


Matthew 25:41
“Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons."

No, you'd better believe that the early Church did not believe in endless torment. That's something that did not rear it's ugly head for at least two hundred years after Christ... one of the damnable false heresy's that Paul knew would come into the Church and warned against.

That is revisionist tripe, and I reject it. UR is just such a damnable heresy, and I warn everyone I can about it.

The early church had it completely right. Accept Christ and live--reject Him and suffer eternal separation and suffering for it.





"For the Bible tells me so."

 

[DeborahsSong]

are you saying that every one will accept Jesus the Christ, the only begotten Son of the living God?

*YES

If so, when? And how does this line up with the verse that God will not always strive with man, or Jesus the Christ saying to some 'depart from me for i never knew you'? Does He change His mind. Does God take a vacation from His 'holi-ness'?

*WHEN? IN THE DUE COURSE OF THINGS.
*GOD WILL NOT ALWAYS STRIVE WITH MAN-HE'S FLESH. STRIVING DEMONSTRATED THAT THE FLESHLY NATURE OF MAN CANNOT BE FIXED, SO GOD KILLED IT ON THE CROSS.
*DEPART FROM ME-THOSE WHO RELY ON FLESHLY WORKS AND HAVE NO PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD, CANNOT PARTAKE OF KINGDOM LIFE WITH HIM. THEY RECEIVE REMEDIAL PUNISHMENT, INSTEAD.
*GOD DOES NOT CHANGE HIS MIND, BUT THOSE RECEIVING REMEDIAL CORRECTION, WHETHER IN 70 AD, OR IN THE LAKE OF FIRE WILL CHANGE THEIR MINDS.
*NO, HE'S HOLY AND ALL HIS CREATION WILL BE HOLY IN THE DUE COURSE OF THINGS.


How does any of this fit into the real war that is happening as we speak...and the battles, and the admonition to put on the full armor of God, and the verse that He teaches my hands to war and my fingers to fight..is there perhaps one of those battles going on as we speak.

*THE REAL WAR IS BETWEEN OUR EARS. THE END OF OUR FAITH IS THE SALVATION OF OUR SOULS. OUR SPIRIT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAVED. OUR UNRENEWED MIND, HELD HOSTAGE BY THE CARNAL NATURE, MUST REALIZE IT'S TRUE IDENTITY IN CHRIST AND BE CONFORMED TO THE MIND OF CHRIST.
*A BATTLE GOING ON RIGHT NOW? ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT WE ARE THE ENEMY? THAT WOULD MAKE YOU AN ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN, SO I HOPE NOT.

Let's see if i'm clear on this...Lucifer, AKA Satan, will be forgiven? He will resume his place he once had?

*IF LUCIFER (KJ GOT THIS WORD FROM THE LATIN VULGATE), OR SATAN IS A MAN, HE WILL BE SAVED. IN ADAM ALL DIE, IN CHRIST ALL ARE MADE ALIVE.